[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-06 Thread Sébastien Vauban
Hi Matt, Matt Lundin wrote: Sébastien Vauban writes: When discussing exporters and features, two things that come up to my mind as missing as a general Org feature: - bibliography :: works for LaTeX[1], not for HTML export. Have you tried the contributed module org-exp-bibtex.el? It is

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-05 Thread Sébastien Vauban
Hi Aankhen, Aankhen wrote: 2011/4/4 Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com: [snip] When discussing exporters and features, two things that come up to my mind as missing as a general Org feature: - bibliography :: works for LaTeX[1], not for HTML export. - acronyms :: idem. Maybe

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-05 Thread Aankhen
Hi Sébastien, 2011/4/5 Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com: Aankhen wrote: [snip] Acronyms are natively supported in HTML. That is all. Thanks for reporting this. Wasn't aware of it. Though, that does not alter the need (at least, what I consider so) for acronyms handling in/from

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-05 Thread Eric S Fraga
Aankhen aank...@gmail.com writes: [...] Thank you for the clarifications. I’m going to talk a bit more about HTML as that’s where I have the most experience. I am in agreement with you when you say that builtin support for acronyms would be useful (although I feel it would be good to

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-05 Thread Aankhen
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 00:57, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote: Aankhen aank...@gmail.com writes: [...] Thank you for the clarifications.  I’m going to talk a bit more about HTML as that’s where I have the most experience.  I am in agreement with you when you say that builtin support

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-04 Thread Matt Lundin
Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes: Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: [...] I think one of the reasons Org is so popular it is that it is a common-man's swiss army knife and not a elitist samurai sword. And I think this is a very important analogy. Org does a good job for

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-04 Thread Jambunathan K
Matt Lundin m...@imapmail.org writes: Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk writes: Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: [...] I think one of the reasons Org is so popular it is that it is a common-man's swiss army knife and not a elitist samurai sword. And I think this is a very

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-04 Thread Sébastien Vauban
Hi Nick and al., Nick Dokos wrote: This will at least help with the first difficulty -- and motivate all people working on the exporters to address the second one. The third one can be turned into a *chance*: that of having several people working in the same direction. Excellent plan! If

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-04 Thread Matt Lundin
Hi Jambunathan, Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: Matt Lundin m...@imapmail.org writes: I agree that the org-exporter currently does its job very well. The astounding utility of org-mode is ample proof of the value of releasing early; even if the exporter is not as elegant as a

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-04 Thread Nick Dokos
Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote: Hi Nick and al., Nick Dokos wrote: This will at least help with the first difficulty -- and motivate all people working on the exporters to address the second one. The third one can be turned into a *chance*: that of having several

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-04 Thread Nick Dokos
Matt Lundin m...@imapmail.org wrote: Hi Jambunathan, Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: Matt Lundin m...@imapmail.org writes: I agree that the org-exporter currently does its job very well. The astounding utility of org-mode is ample proof of the value of releasing

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-04 Thread Aankhen
Hullo, 2011/4/4 Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com: [snip] When discussing exporters and features, two things that come up to my mind as missing as a general Org feature: - bibliography :: works for LaTeX[1], not for HTML export. - acronyms :: idem. Maybe those should be made

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-01 Thread Nick Dokos
Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com wrote: Do look at my new html exporter. I have been very conservative in making the changes. Well, Nicolas's proposal is more radical, but there is no inherent backward compatibility disadvantage to it that I can see. Some observations from my side ...

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-01 Thread Jambunathan K
I'll show two examples to illustrate my point: lists and tables. Taken from a docstring, 1. first item + sub-item one + [X] sub-item two more text in first item 2. [@3] last item will be parsed as: (ordered (nil \first item\ (unordered (nil sub-item one)

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-01 Thread Eric S Fraga
Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: [...] I think one of the reasons Org is so popular it is that it is a common-man's swiss army knife and not a elitist samurai sword. And I think this is a very important analogy. Org does a good job for many (very different) tasks. The price is

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-04-01 Thread Achim Gratz
Nicolas n.goaz...@gmail.com writes: I have been thinking about exporters for a while now, and I'd like to share my point of view. Be warned, I will be a bit verbose. [...] +1 A remark about backwards compatibility: I personally don't have a huge investment in documents that I export, but I

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-31 Thread Nicolas
Hello, Bastien b...@altern.org writes: 2. exporters use various methods to export the file (e.g. the HTML exporter goes line by line, the LaTeX exporter parses the file and render each section); *Example*: users often ask why the LaTeX exporter cannot export a headline of level

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-31 Thread Jambunathan K
One more thing to the list. Use htmlfontify instead of htmlize. Former is part of standard Emacs while the latter is not. Jambunathan K.

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-31 Thread Jambunathan K
Backward compatibility is a real issue. The real challenge is how to move forward while also not breaking anything that the users have come to rely on. Thus, Org documentation should provide an exhaustive list of environments and objects it offers with their associated format during export.

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-27 Thread Jambunathan K
This is slightly out of thread. I pulled the master branch with an intention to re-baseline my branch and I saw some 37 lines were changed since I branched out my odt branch. My heart just sinked. A request from my side. Would it be possible to delay adding of new capabilities and features to

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-27 Thread Bastien
Hi Jambunathan, Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: I pulled the master branch with an intention to re-baseline my branch and I saw some 37 lines were changed since I branched out my odt branch. My heart just sinked. A request from my side. Would it be possible to delay adding of

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-24 Thread Bastien
Dear all, I applied the patches too hastily, disregarding some inconsistency they could introduce between exporters -- sorry for that. I fully agree with Nick and Thomas (and others who also agreed): Org's export facilities need some real love and new export features need to be introduced as

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-24 Thread Achim Gratz
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: I fully agree with Nick and Thomas (and others who also agreed): Org's export facilities need some real love and new export features need to be introduced as complete and as consistent accross exporters as possible. I hope we'll make progress on this for 7.6.

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-24 Thread Nick Dokos
Bastien b...@altern.org wrote: Here is a list of difficulties: 1. the syntax of the backends vary, and this means that all Org options are not meaningful in all target formats; *Example*: #+XSLT is only meaninful for the Docbook export. The variable `org-export-html-postamble'

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-24 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:25:02 -0400 Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com wrote: PS: Also note that I couldn't be as available as I wanted the 10 last days due to personal problems, but things look better now. I think I'm speaking for all of us: Nothing here is so urgent that it cannot

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-23 Thread Nick Dokos
Bastien b...@altern.org wrote: Hi Nick, Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: This works too, but Lawrence's patch makes it much easier and probably works for other export formats too. Thanks a lot. :) No doubt Lawrence's patch

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-23 Thread Thomas S. Dye
On Mar 23, 2011, at 5:02 AM, Nick Dokos wrote: Bastien b...@altern.org wrote: Hi Nick, Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: This works too, but Lawrence's patch makes it much easier and probably works for other export formats too. Thanks

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-23 Thread Nick Dokos
Lawrence Mitchell we...@gmx.li wrote: patches makes the behavior of different exporters potentially inconsistent with each other. You can drop the potentially here! Well, some people might not use the feature... IMO, it would be better to accumulate the patches and once all of the

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-23 Thread Jambunathan K
Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com writes: Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: This works too, but Lawrence's patch makes it much easier and probably works for other export formats too. Thanks a lot. :) No doubt Lawrence's patch can be extended to work for other exports, but it's

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-23 Thread Jambunathan K
For example, I don't know if the docbook backend explicitly writes section numbers in, or if the sectioning is left to the stylesheet. If the latter, can I mark sections as ones that should be numbered and ones that shouldn't? And I'm sure Jambunathan will take care of the odt exporter.

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-23 Thread Nick Dokos
Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com wrote: For example, I don't know if the docbook backend explicitly writes section numbers in, or if the sectioning is left to the stylesheet. If the latter, can I mark sections as ones that should be numbered and ones that shouldn't? And I'm

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-23 Thread Jambunathan K
OTOH, it is important to document such limitations, so that innocent users don't end up spending hours trying to do something that cannot be done. Point taken. Nick --

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-22 Thread Sébastien Vauban
Hi Suvayu, Suvayu Ali wrote: Hi Orgers, I was wondering whether there is some way to export the attached org file to latex such that headlines beyond level 2 (3 and onwards) can be exported as unnumbered subsections or subsubsections like this, \subsection*{}, instead of enclosing them

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-22 Thread Suvayu Ali
Hi Sébastien, On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:20:29 +0100 Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote: I was wondering whether there is some way to export the attached org file to latex such that headlines beyond level 2 (3 and onwards) can be exported as unnumbered subsections or

[O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-22 Thread Sébastien Vauban
Hi Suvayu, Suvayu Ali wrote: On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:20:29 +0100 Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote: I was wondering whether there is some way to export the attached org file to latex such that headlines beyond level 2 (3 and onwards) can be exported as unnumbered

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-22 Thread Nick Dokos
Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi S=C3=A9bastien, On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:20:29 +0100 S=C3=A9bastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote: I was wondering whether there is some way to export the attached org file to latex such that headlines beyond level 2 (3 and

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-22 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:35:10 -0400 Nick Dokos nicholas.do...@hp.com wrote: Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi S=C3=A9bastien, On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:20:29 +0100 S=C3=A9bastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com wrote: I was wondering whether there is some way to

Re: [O] Re: unnumbered subsections in latex export

2011-03-22 Thread Nick Dokos
Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: This works too, but Lawrence's patch makes it much easier and probably works for other export formats too. Thanks a lot. :) No doubt Lawrence's patch can be extended to work for other exports, but it's not there yet: each exporter would need a