Jude DaShiell writes:
> Accessibility standards cover this area pretty thoroughly.
> http://governor.state.tx.us/disabilities/accessibledocs/ has some
> information that might be bent to emacs-orgmode's purposes.
Thanks. Very useful resource. I've passed this on to my students!
--
: Eric
Accessibility standards cover this area pretty thoroughly.
http://governor.state.tx.us/disabilities/accessibledocs/ has some
information that might be bent to emacs-orgmode's purposes.
On Tue, 23 Apr 2013, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> Bastien writes:
>
> > Eric S Fraga writes:
> >
> >> And I've no
Bastien writes:
> Eric S Fraga writes:
>
>> And I've not only given up trying to convert anybody to Emacs, I have
>> also given up trying to explain why a dark background with light text is
>> much better on the eyes. Too much inertia and bad practices out there
>> unfortunately.
>
> On this sl
On 22.4.2013, at 19:11, Bastien wrote:
> Eric S Fraga writes:
>
>> And I've not only given up trying to convert anybody to Emacs, I have
>> also given up trying to explain why a dark background with light text is
>> much better on the eyes. Too much inertia and bad practices out there
>> unfo
Achim Gratz writes:
> Sebastien Vauban writes:
>> What I once heard from ergonomical studies is that "black on white"
>> was better than "white on black". Though, is it based on real grounds?
>
> All these studies dependend on which CRT was used (most of which
> produced blurry pictures for dark-
Sebastien Vauban writes:
> What I once heard from ergonomical studies is that "black on white"
> was better than "white on black". Though, is it based on real grounds?
All these studies dependend on which CRT was used (most of which
produced blurry pictures for dark-on-light content) and are mostl
On 4/22/13, Bastien wrote:
> I use xcalib (http://xcalib.sourceforge.net/) to quickly switch
> from light-on-dark (most often) to dark-on-light (from time to
> time) and I recommend it.
Interesting. How did you use it to do that? I had assumed that
colors could not be inverted automatically wit
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Sebastien Vauban
wrote:
> Bastien wrote:
>> Eric S Fraga writes:
>>
>>> And I've not only given up trying to convert anybody to Emacs, I have
>>> also given up trying to explain why a dark background with light text is
>>> much better on the eyes. Too much inerti
Bastien wrote:
> Eric S Fraga writes:
>
>> And I've not only given up trying to convert anybody to Emacs, I have
>> also given up trying to explain why a dark background with light text is
>> much better on the eyes. Too much inertia and bad practices out there
>> unfortunately.
>
> On this sligh
Eric S Fraga writes:
> And I've not only given up trying to convert anybody to Emacs, I have
> also given up trying to explain why a dark background with light text is
> much better on the eyes. Too much inertia and bad practices out there
> unfortunately.
On this slightly off-topic subject, an
I might have converted someone this weekend.
I had been babbling about Emacs, lisp, and the early 1980s to him for some
time.
I told him that Emacs was a 37 year old tree, that it had carefully tended for
all that time by a community of folks that really cared about doing things the
right way
Torsten Wagner writes:
> Hi,
> If I show org-mode to someone and if he/she points out the ugly graphic I
> stop at that point.
As I use a light text on dark background, I stop when they ask if there
is something wrong with my monitor because the background is
black... sigh.
And I've not only g
* 42 147 wrote:
>
> Hello mailing list,
Hi!
> The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people to
> Emacs / org-mode?
I am not quite sure how many people actually switched to
Emacs/Org-mode. However, I have seen many open mouths by showing
simply the basic (tables, babel, ..
* Suvayu Ali wrote:
>
> Personally I think, any attempts at conversion is futile.
I agree only for cases, where the person does not have issues with
the current editor/workflow.
> Just like real religion, choosing an editor is an immensely
> personal decision if editing text (in whatever form,
Last fall I wrote a very simple elnode based web server which allows for
Org-mode files to be viewed and edited through a web browser.
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/58773/focus=61752
It seems relevant to this discussion. I haven't touched the code in
some time, so it may need to be
Hi,
42 147 writes:
> However, on the issue of tutorials, I did save my entire IM logs. It might
> be an interesting presentation technique -- to read a real, natural
> step-by-step working through of Emacs with someone completely computer
> illiterate.
I would love to read something like this!
e-bounces+dougl=shubertticketing@gnu.org] On Behalf Of
John Hendy
Sent: Tuesday, 2013 April 09 18:27
To: 42 147
Cc: emacs-orgmode
Subject: Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:10 AM, 42 147 wrote:
>
> Hello mailing list,
>
> This might be considered off
My comment is off topic here, but couldn't help it ...
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 07:59:08PM -0400, 42 147 wrote:
> It was very interesting psychologically to remind oneself of this state of
> mind. To most people a program is a shortcut icon on the desktop, not a
> bunch of disparate files that coal
> Not when they're your employees!
> Only half joking,
+1 for the serious half. Totalitarianism is underrated.
> this confirms that different people have wildly different usage patterns
That is absolutely true. I didn't care about org-mode until a friend showed
me his Shakespeare.org file. I pr
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:10 AM, 42 147 wrote:
>
> Hello mailing list,
>
> This might be considered off-topic.
>
> The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people to
> Emacs / org-mode? Are converts all programmers, or those versed in
> programming? -- Or have you converted non
Dnia 2013-04-09, o godz. 09:42:20
Gunnar Wolf napisał(a):
> I won't talk about the people I have (not yet) converted, but about
> the person who converted me: I am a long-time Emacs user (got
> initiated back in 1983, being 6 or 7 years old, at the university
> where my father worked, works, and
Dnia 2013-04-09, o godz. 04:10:07
42 147 napisał(a):
> Hello mailing list,
>
> This might be considered off-topic.
>
> The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people
> to Emacs / org-mode? Are converts all programmers, or those versed in
> programming? -- Or have you conve
Please let me know if you have any problems with the ikiwiki plugin or any
feature requests. I haven't been too active with it lately, but I'm still
around. :)
Cheers,
Chris
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Loyall, David wrote:
> > Subject: Re: [O] converting people to Em
> Subject: Re: [O] converting people to Emacs and org-mode
[snip]
> Perhaps the web incarnations of org could help here too.
I plan to bring attention to Emacs by publishing a wiki on our intranet.
ikiwiki[1] is a simple perl based wiki compiler. You maintain a tree of text
documents
Hi Christopher,
Christopher Allan Webber wrote:
> Eric Abrahamsen writes:
>> Russell Adams writes:
>>
>>> My experience has been that after watching me manage a project in Org
>>> for a few weeks, I have customers beg me to help them install it on
>>> their PC. I've had quite a few converts throu
Eric Abrahamsen writes:
> Russell Adams writes:
>
>> My experience has been that after watching me manage a project in Org
>> for a few weeks, I have customers beg me to help them install it on
>> their PC. I've had quite a few converts through working together and
>> by example.
>
> Perhaps the
42 147 dijo [Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 04:10:07AM -0400]:
>
> Hello mailing list,
>
> This might be considered off-topic.
>
> The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people to
> Emacs / org-mode? Are converts all programmers, or those versed in
> programming? -- Or have you conv
Russell Adams writes:
> My experience has been that after watching me manage a project in Org
> for a few weeks, I have customers beg me to help them install it on
> their PC. I've had quite a few converts through working together and
> by example.
Perhaps the web incarnations of org could help
Hi Thorsten,
Thorsten Jolitz writes:
> I already asked the editors - legally it would be possible to republish
> on Worg. I'll ask them again if its allowed to cut the fully formated
> article from the magazine-pdf and upload this 4 page pdf on Worg.
Better to add it somewhere else and create
Hi,
If I show org-mode to someone and if he/she points out the ugly graphic I
stop at that point.
If the reaction is more like "Hey how did you do that?" I might have a
potential candidate.
Thus, for me it comes down to two groups the once who need a
graphical pleasant system which hides away all t
Moritz Ulrich writes:
> I'm interested in the article too. Maybe you can arrange something
> with the editors if even the creator of org-mode is interested in the
> article?
I already sent the pdf version of the magazine in a PM to the creator of
Org-mode so he can decide if its worth the pain c
I'm interested in the article too. Maybe you can arrange something
with the editors if even the creator of org-mode is interested in the
article?
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Carsten Dominik
wrote:
>
> On 9 apr. 2013, at 10:46, Thorsten Jolitz wrote:
>
>> 42 147 writes:
>>
>>> This might b
My experience has been that after watching me manage a project in Org
for a few weeks, I have customers beg me to help them install it on
their PC. I've had quite a few converts through working together and
by example.
My $0.02.
Thanks.
---
Hi John,
interesting topic.
My take on this is that *individual* attempts can be deceptive
(for reasons that Suvayu raised), but *collective* attempts are
always somehow successful.
By "individual attempts" I mean face-to-face demos and preaching,
which can help some Emacs users discover how the
On 9 apr. 2013, at 10:46, Thorsten Jolitz wrote:
> 42 147 writes:
>
>> This might be considered off-topic.
>
> Maybe not? I know of a fantastic Lisp dialect and
> web/database programming-environment out there
>
> ,
> | PicoLisp
> | http://picolisp.com/50
On 9 apr. 2013, at 10:10, 42 147 wrote:
>
> Hello mailing list,
>
> This might be considered off-topic.
>
> The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people to
> Emacs / org-mode? Are converts all programmers, or those versed in
> programming? -- Or have you converted non-
42 147 writes:
> This might be considered off-topic.
Maybe not? I know of a fantastic Lisp dialect and
web/database programming-environment out there
,
| PicoLisp
| http://picolisp.com/5000/!wiki?home
`
that suffers exact
Suvayu Ali writes:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 04:10:07AM -0400, 42 147 wrote:
>> Anyway, apologies if this seems to clutter the already highly active
>> mailing list. But I do think questions of proselytization (because we
>> /are/ talking religion here) is important.
>
> I would say Org-mode user
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 04:10:07AM -0400, 42 147 wrote:
> Anyway, apologies if this seems to clutter the already highly active
> mailing list. But I do think questions of proselytization (because we
> /are/ talking religion here) is important.
I would say Org-mode users form the moderate demograph
Hello mailing list,
This might be considered off-topic.
The question is the title: have you been able to convert many people to
Emacs / org-mode? Are converts all programmers, or those versed in
programming? -- Or have you converted non-programmers, e.g., anyone who
edits text for a living?
It'
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