Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-27 Thread Bastien
Hi Trevor, let's not invite Charles Dickens and William Shakespeare to this discussion, I guess they really don't care :) Trevor Vartanoff t...@codepuzzles.org writes: I'm glad to see an exception was made for node property, but that's only one of many, many problem cases. We will be able to

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-26 Thread Trevor Vartanoff
Nicolas, Org has its own definition for a paragraph, which, apparently, doesn't match yours. A paragraph ends either at a blank line, at the end of the buffer, or at the start of another non-paragraph element. In particular, indentation is unrelated to paragraph boundaries. If your

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-26 Thread Jonathan Leech-Pepin
Hello Trevor, On 26 September 2012 19:18, Trevor Vartanoff t...@codepuzzles.org wrote: Nicolas, Org has its own definition for a paragraph, which, apparently, doesn't match yours. A paragraph ends either at a blank line, at the end of the buffer, or at the start of another non-paragraph

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-26 Thread Trevor Vartanoff
Jonathan, I should have been more clear on what I meant by basic, quite idiotic of me and sorry for the confusion. If you write ten words on ten lines, you can't shift things around anymore until you've put everything into an Official Orgmode Endorsed Structure of some kind. Sometimes I

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-23 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Trevor Vartanoff t...@codepuzzles.org writes: I suppose people who only write and handle text with Internet-style line breaks between paragraphs won't notice any change. Those who don't will either get cannot messages, or they will be quite surprised when org scans down, down, down

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-23 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Anthony, Anthony Lander anth...@landerfamily.ca writes: I use the M-up/dn behaviour a lot to move property lines up and down. Maybe each property line could be a new element recognized as such by org-element.el. This way org-metaup/down on a

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-23 Thread Bastien
Hi Nicolas, Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes: How would that new element be named? `headline-property'? `property'? `property' is fine, unless it is semantically too close to other elements and/or objects. Also, do we want this change in 7.9.3? In that case, it may be wise to

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-23 Thread Carsten Dominik
On 23.9.2012, at 10:25, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: Hello, Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Anthony, Anthony Lander anth...@landerfamily.ca writes: I use the M-up/dn behaviour a lot to move property lines up and down. Maybe each property line could be a new element recognized as

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-23 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes: node-property is another possibility. There's now a new element type in master: node-property. Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-23 Thread Bastien
Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes: There's now a new element type in master: node-property. Fantastic, thanks! -- Bastien

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-23 Thread Anthony Lander
Hi Bastien, On 12-Sep-22, at 5:24 AM, Bastien wrote: Hi Anthony, Anthony Lander anth...@landerfamily.ca writes: I use the M-up/dn behaviour a lot to move property lines up and down. Maybe each property line could be a new element recognized as such by org-element.el. This way

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-22 Thread Bastien
Hi Anthony, Anthony Lander anth...@landerfamily.ca writes: I use the M-up/dn behaviour a lot to move property lines up and down. Maybe each property line could be a new element recognized as such by org-element.el. This way org-metaup/down on a property line would move it up/down. (Maybe

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-20 Thread Trevor Vartanoff
Thanks Anthony. Looks like that will be helpful if I ever update.

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-19 Thread Bastien
Hi Trevor, Trevor Vartanoff t...@codepuzzles.org writes: I updated to 7.9.1 from 7.8.11 and was quite surprised to receive nasty Cannot drag element backward messages when I tried to use org-metaup and org-metadown to move text around. It is hard to understand the problem without an example.

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-19 Thread Trevor Vartanoff
Your explanation is useful. After some more experimenting, it looks like 7.8.11 accepts a return as the dividing line between elements, but 7.9.1 only recognizes them as separate if there's an empty line between them. Example: if I copy the first two lines of your email, I can shift It is

Re: [O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-19 Thread Anthony Lander
Hi Trevor, On 12-Sep-19, at 10:44 AM, Trevor Vartanoff wrote: And so, example 2, I was receiving cannot drag element forward/backward when I was in a heading with no line breaks. That is, a heading where paragraphs are separated with return + indent rather than a full line break of return

[O] org-metaup / org-metadown nerfed in 7.9.1

2012-09-18 Thread Trevor Vartanoff
I updated to 7.9.1 from 7.8.11 and was quite surprised to receive nasty Cannot drag element backward messages when I tried to use org-metaup and org-metadown to move text around. Why was this done? How do I get back to one stroke functionality? I'm afraid I'm not properly understanding the