"Allen S. Rout" writes:
> In My Opinion, the current docs in org-mode are targeted at those who
> expect to have their own heads and shoulders inside the 'engine
> compartment' of org and emacs. This makes them a poor tool to
> communicate with End-Users. But this might be acceptable, because
>
Suvayu ali said
> This made me think, although not exactly what James is expecting but
> it might be possible to package a minimal Emacs distribution with the
> latest stable org-mode included as an alternate download. It could
> supply some skeleton files which would be used as default
> customis
Hi Carsten,
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Carsten Dominik
wrote:
>
> 3. File structure and letting other people be you assistant
>
> I agree that Org-mode will not be easy for an assistant to open up
> in you absence, if that assistant is not trained in
> Emacs/Org-mode. A program like
On 09/27/2011 01:04 PM, James Levine wrote:
I thought I’d zoom out and tell you what a consumer experience is
like:
I'm replying off the list. BTW, are you either The Conductor, or The
Author? ;)
Your experience seems to be informed by a sense that 'org-mode' is
eager for market share or som
Carsten Dominik writes:
> 1. Startup difficulties for non-EMacs users
>
>One of the fundamental aspect you discuss is the difficulty to
>enter the Org-mode world as a general computer user, possibly not
>familiar Emacs.
>
>Today's world expects programs to be self-explanatory,
This is a quote from Richard Stallman's speech & article.
, From http://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.html
| Multics Emacs proved to be a great success — programming new editing
| commands was so convenient that even the secretaries in his office
| started learning how to use it. They used a manua
Dear James,
thanks a lot for your thoughts on Org-mode. I admit that I had to
read them several times to fully understand what you are saying.
While you anchor your argument on the documenation (be it overabundant
or not the right one), I think you are making a number of much deeper
points. I'll
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Hi James.
>
> If you do not grok text its unlikely you will appreciate a text editor.
> emacs is not just a text editor its an exceptionally powerful text editor
> -- a power which is likely to alienate you even more.
> So the best suggestion
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Hi James.
> *** Presentations
> * Lightweight options
> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-configs/org-customization-guide.html
>
I meant this link:
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/non-beamer-presentations.html
Hi James.
If you do not grok text its unlikely you will appreciate a text editor.
emacs is not just a text editor its an exceptionally powerful text editor --
a power which is likely to alienate you even more.
So the best suggestion to someone who wishes to get into orgmode but finds
text (and tex
Hi James,
Thanks for your mails.
> You can not deny, however, that even the design of this
> forum is but one example of how the Emacs community maintains its
> exclusivity. Own up to it.
It's a mailing list ≠ forum :) Anyway news is not fashionable, but sites
like Gmane makes it quite availab
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:47:31AM -0400, James Levine wrote:
> I?ll go on leap of faith that the email I?ve been provided actually
> contributes to the same thread I emailed to earlier. Please everyone: thank
> you for looking out. This is clearly a thoughtful and supportive community.
> You ca
There is no exclusivity connected to emacs or anything else on gnu. More
like extreme inclusivity. If there was even a little exclusivity on gnu
or within linux, I wouldn't be able to install it on a laptop by myself
without any vision! However no version of windows can be installed on a
lap
Tis true. Just like Wordpress and other terrific open resources: just because
you implement them doesn’t mean you’re the type to do the tinkering. People
make a living off building websites (I daresay, you could make a career of
fixing the screw-ups of people embarking in WP who think that means
I’ll go on leap of faith that the email I’ve been provided actually contributes
to the same thread I emailed to earlier. Please everyone: thank you for looking
out. This is clearly a thoughtful and supportive community. You can not deny,
however, that even the design of this forum is but one exa
James
> Greetings,
>
> As an expert end-user but outside the computer science field, I’ve
> felt there to be a high cost of entry for working in org-mode.
This is another perfectly practical way to address the problem that you
are contending to with.
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-or
James
> 1) It’s not that there isn’t enough documentation, it’s that there’s
> too much of it
I hope you appreciate the amount of effort that has gone in to writing
such a big manual. You may not have a need for it. This doesn't mean
that it is not worthwhile.
At the minimum, we should respect o
James Levine writes:
> Greetings,
Hello James,
I am not going to try to answer all of your points comprehensively but I
will chime in with some of my own views, as a very satisfied end user
albeit also a computer scientist (of sorts ;-).
> As an expert end-user but outside the computer science
They tried that MacDonalds approach on web pages all over the Government
and beyond and guess what, they found not even sighted people could
figure what to click or why. The Federal Government wasn't even looking
at this problem to help sighted people either, it's now addressing this
problem b
Greetings,
As an expert end-user but outside the computer science field, I’ve felt there
to be a high cost of entry for working in org-mode. I like the idea very much,
as I am trying to strip down to an Autofocus system and take a more intuitive,
frictionless approach. Because I’m not followin
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