Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Hi Eduardo, Eduardo Mercovich writes: > Going back to think about some user testing, we should talk a bit about > the test objectives to determine the sample screening, starting context > and tasks... Here are a the two main goals I see for https://orgmode.org: - Answer the 3 top questions

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Hello Bastien! So long... :) Pleasure to meet you Timothy. :) IMHO if someone with UX/UI experience can/wants to interview real Org newcomers, that will help us a lot for deciding about such tiny changes. Unfortunately, it can be quite hard to find such people on the ML etc. (funny about

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Timothy writes: > Done :) Thanks! -- Bastien

Re: IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done)

Russell Adams writes: >> AFAIU, this should be supported by the IRC server. Does irc.libera.chat >> (where #org-mode channel is hosted) support logging? > > There is no log today. > > Also our parent channel #emacs prohibits logging. > > https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsChannelLogging Does

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Hi Bastien, > Please go ahead with what seems better to you (especially since it > matches Ihor’s preferences too), but if Eduardo has some time to help, > it be great to really stabilize what kind of info is expected on this > banner. Done :) All the best, Timothy

Re: IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done)

Hi, On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 at 11:36, Ihor Radchenko wrote: >> Look at this example from Guix IRC channel: >> https://logs.guix.gnu.org/ > > AFAIU, this should be supported by the IRC server. Does irc.libera.chat > (where #org-mode channel is hosted) support logging? These logs are done by custom

Re: IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done)

On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 11:36:46AM +0800, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > Jean Louis writes: > > > For IRC, there are ways to record history, and I am sure that > > such history may be recorded with referencable hyperlinks. > > > > Look at this example from Guix IRC channel: > >

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Ihor Radchenko writes: > So, we may create a badge with an icon representing src code (maybe > " | source code"?) that will point to > https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git/ +1 -- Bastien

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Hi Timothy, Timothy writes: >> IMHO if someone with UX/UI experience can/wants to interview real Org >> newcomers, that will help us a lot for deciding about such tiny changes. > > Unfortunately, it can be quite hard to find such people on the ML etc. (funny > about that ). I'm copying

Re: IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done)

Hi Ihor, > Jean Louis writes: > >> For IRC, there are ways to record history, and I am sure that >> such history may be recorded with referencable hyperlinks. >> >> Look at this example from Guix IRC channel: >> > > AFAIU, this should be supported by the IRC server.

Re: IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done)

Jean Louis writes: > For IRC, there are ways to record history, and I am sure that > such history may be recorded with referencable hyperlinks. > > Look at this example from Guix IRC channel: > https://logs.guix.gnu.org/ AFAIU, this should be supported by the IRC server. Does irc.libera.chat

Re: IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done)

* Ihor Radchenko [2022-09-21 11:15]: > The disadvantage of IRC is absence of message history. > Without history, small-sized channels like I am proposing (dedicated to > Org mode devs) are not very useful. We live in different time zones and > countries. >From Org master view point, every

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Hi Bastien, > IMHO if someone with UX/UI experience can/wants to interview real Org > newcomers, that will help us a lot for deciding about such tiny changes. Unfortunately, it can be quite hard to find such people on the ML etc. (funny about that ). For what it’s worth, when doing the

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Hi Timothy, Timothy writes: > I think we’d want people to see this, and so I’d actually be inclined to make > the “bug report” button link to this page, and the feedback button just be a > `mailto:' link. Done! > For what it’s worth, I personally consider stuffing lines of “important!” text >

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Hi Max, Max Nikulin writes: > "Install from ELPA" without "GNU". Fixed, thanks. -- Bastien

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Timothy writes: >> My impression is that this change is against Timothy’s attempt to make the >> top >> banner cleaner. > > For what it’s worth, I personally consider stuffing lines of “important!” text > into that “what is Org?” banner ultimately counterproductive. I think it fails > to

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Hi Max, >> Agreed – I removed this mailto: link as suggestion in a previous >> reply to Tim… > > I am not against mailto: link, my intention was to improve message template. Looking at , that seems like it’s much better than just a mailto link or `M-x

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

On 23/09/2022 00:23, Bastien wrote: Max Nikulin writes: The updated page has alt="Install from ELPA" that likely should be "Install from GNU ELPA". Fixed, thanks. However Firefox does not show tooltips (unlike for the Librepay link) when mouse cursor is over new SVG images. I have

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Ihor Radchenko writes: > Bastien writes: > >> Would it be okay to >> >> 1. replace both "report bug" and "feedback" buttons by a "feedback" >>button, pointing to manual https://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html ? > > I feel like it is good idea to keep both "report bug" and "feedback" >

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Bastien writes: > Would it be okay to > > 1. replace both "report bug" and "feedback" buttons by a "feedback" >button, pointing to manual https://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html ? I feel like it is good idea to keep both "report bug" and "feedback" buttons, even if they point to the same

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Hi Max, Max Nikulin writes: > The updated page has > > alt="Install from ELPA" > > that likely should be "Install from GNU ELPA". Fixed, thanks. > I like that new link > leads directly to the Org package at GNU ELPA, earlier version had a > link to the site top page. +1! > However

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

On 20/09/2022 12:41, Timothy wrote: Hi Bastien, The whole top banner has become a bit messy, IMO. I’ll have a go at cleaning it up later today. See Matrix for a preview I put together by just editing the in-browser HTML. Also let me know if you don’t use Matrix at all, I just thought I’d send

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Hi Timothy, Timothy writes: > The whole top banner has become a bit messy, IMO. I’ll have a go at cleaning > it > up later today. See Matrix for a preview I put together by just editing the > in-browser HTML. Also let me know if you don’t use Matrix at all, I just > thought Thank you for the

Re: IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done)

Russell Adams writes: > The #org-mode channel has a large footprint already, though lower > utilization than #emacs. There are 230 org users online right now. > > It would be great to see some dev discussions on IRC, and if we ever > get too much traffic, maybe make a #org-mode-dev channel. > >

Re: IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done)

On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 10:59:14AM +0200, Russell Adams wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 04:05:56PM +0800, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > > Russell Adams writes: > > > > >> I am wondering if we could create a common Org dev matrix room for quick > > >> discussions and then copy the transcript to the

Re: IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done)

On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 04:05:56PM +0800, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > Russell Adams writes: > > >> I am wondering if we could create a common Org dev matrix room for quick > >> discussions and then copy the transcript to the relevant ML thread, when > >> necessary. > > > > We have an IRC channel for

Re: IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done)

Russell Adams writes: >> I am wondering if we could create a common Org dev matrix room for quick >> discussions and then copy the transcript to the relevant ML thread, when >> necessary. > > We have an IRC channel for real time chat. Join in anytime. The disadvantage of IRC is absence of

Re: IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done)

On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 05:22:50PM +0800, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > The problem with the list is that emails often have ~minutes overheads. > It sometimes takes unnecessary extra time to discuss small > clarifications on list. > > I am wondering if we could create a common Org dev matrix room for

IM dev discussions? (was: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done)

Bastien writes: > Timothy writes: > >> The whole top banner has become a bit messy, IMO. I’ll have a go at cleaning >> it >> up later today. > > As discussed on Matrix, please go ahead -- for future suggestions on > the website, it's fine to discuss them on this list. The problem with the

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Timothy writes: > The whole top banner has become a bit messy, IMO. I’ll have a go at cleaning > it > up later today. As discussed on Matrix, please go ahead -- for future suggestions on the website, it's fine to discuss them on this list. Thanks a lot ! -- Bastien

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Hi Bastien, The whole top banner has become a bit messy, IMO. I’ll have a go at cleaning it up later today. See Matrix for a preview I put together by just editing the in-browser HTML. Also let me know if you don’t use Matrix at all, I just thought I’d send you a message since you’re on there .

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Ihor Radchenko writes: > The only idea coming to my mind is turning "GNU ELPA" into a link. Done, thanks the suggestion! -- Bastien

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Bastien writes: > Let us know if there is still something I can do to make it more > obvious that this is GNU ELPA and not GNU MELPA. Many users may > make this confusion but I'm short of ideas. The only idea coming to my mind is turning "GNU ELPA" into a link. -- Ihor Radchenko, Org mode

Re: orgmode.org welcome page says to install via MELPA but as writing, this cannot be done

Hi David, David Ventimiglia via "General discussions about Org-mode." writes: > Sorry, nevermind. Done. :) Let us know if there is still something I can do to make it more obvious that this is GNU ELPA and not GNU MELPA. Many users may make this confusion but I'm short of ideas. Thanks,