Re: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-26 Thread Richard Stallman
If the default sort order cannot be changed now, can the custom sort options at least be autoloaded? That would let users know that there is a workaround available. I did that. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org

Re: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-25 Thread Jason Rumney
Drew Adams wrote: 1. Reminder: The bug report was about the default order of options in a custom buffer. If it were alphabetical, users could find options there easier. I can't think of any other program that orders its options alphabetically by default. Usually they are grouped by

Re: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-25 Thread Richard Stallman
I do not want a discussion about redesigning the Custom interface now. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-pretest-bug

RE: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-25 Thread Drew Adams
I do not want a discussion about redesigning the Custom interface now. Of course not. If the default sort order cannot be changed now, can the custom sort options at least be autoloaded? That would let users know that there is a workaround available.

Re: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-24 Thread Richard Stallman
And how do you know what custom group to look in? These are options that are not autoloaded (so unavailable to C-h v and apropos) and are not mentioned in any manual. One way is to browse through the structure of custom groups. But it would be good if Custom buffers had some menu bar

RE: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-24 Thread Drew Adams
And how do you know what custom group to look in? These are options that are not autoloaded (so unavailable to C-h v and apropos) and are not mentioned in any manual. One way is to browse through the structure of custom groups. But it would be good if Custom buffers had some menu

RE: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-23 Thread Drew Adams
- They are apparently not autoloaded, so `C-h v' doesn't recognize them until customize has been loaded. How can `C-h v' help you to find something you're not aware of? That's not the point. The point is that these should be well documented, and autoloaded so you can get to

Re: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-23 Thread martin rudalics
So? Bug reports about customization don't concern such users, so ignore them in the present context. If you don't care about customization either, then perhaps someone else should respond to this bug report. I do care about customization, and that's why I reported the bug. Sorry. I herewith

Re: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-23 Thread Richard Stallman
- None are mentioned in the Emacs manual (or the Elisp manual, for that matter), so a user is unlikely to know about them. We do not aim to mention all options in the manual. ___ emacs-pretest-bug mailing list emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org

Re: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-23 Thread Richard Stallman
They are customizable, so users should be able to find them. Why would they look for them if they are not aware of them, to use your logic? If you want to change things about a certain feature (such as the custom buffer interface), you look at its custom group and see what's

RE: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-23 Thread Drew Adams
They are customizable, so users should be able to find them. Why would they look for them if they are not aware of them, to use your logic? If you want to change things about a certain feature (such as the custom buffer interface), you look at its custom group and see what's

RE: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-23 Thread Drew Adams
- None are mentioned in the Emacs manual (or the Elisp manual, for that matter), so a user is unlikely to know about them. We do not aim to mention all options in the manual. Of course not, and these probably need not be in a manual. My point was that if they are not autoloaded

Re: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-22 Thread martin rudalics
emacs -Q M-x customize some-group The options and faces should be in alphabetical order. The actual order seems random. Should be possible: (defcustom custom-browse-sort-alphabetically nil If non-nil, sort members of each customization group alphabetically. :type 'boolean :group

RE: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-22 Thread Drew Adams
From: martin rudalics emacs -Q M-x customize some-group The options and faces should be in alphabetical order. The actual order seems random. Should be possible: (defcustom custom-browse-sort-alphabetically nil If non-nil, sort members of each customization group

Re: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-22 Thread martin rudalics
Thx - I wasn't aware of those. However: - They are apparently not autoloaded, so `C-h v' doesn't recognize them until customize has been loaded. How can `C-h v' help you to find something you're not aware of? - None are mentioned in the Emacs manual (or the Elisp manual, for that

RE: customize options and faces are not in alphabetical order

2006-12-22 Thread Drew Adams
- They are apparently not autoloaded, so `C-h v' doesn't recognize them until customize has been loaded. How can `C-h v' help you to find something you're not aware of? That's not the point. The point is that these should be well documented, and autoloaded so you can get to the