RE: Some philosophical questions

2005-07-26 Thread Gerald Richter
Hi, A lot of these things have something to do with the man power we have. For example maintaining backwards compatibilty: My test scripts tests Embperl against about 25 different Apache/mod_perl/perl versions/combination/linkage styles (only on Linux, not regarding Windows, xxxBSD, etc.). Everyti

Re: Some philosophical questions

2005-07-26 Thread Gavin Carr
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 08:07:36AM -0700, Neil Gunton wrote: > I think that people looking for the simpler, "beginner" solution turn to > PHP, whereas the heavier, "enterprise" users tend to go to Java. So maybe > mod_perl/Embperl is stuck somewhere in between in a kind of no mans land, > percei

Re: [$ hidden $] bug in 2.0?

2005-07-26 Thread Neil Gunton
Gerald Richter wrote: Sorry to contradict you Gerald, but I'm looking right at the resulting page source - I can switch back and forth here and it *does* behave the way I'm telling you. I have no idea why you would be seeing something different... I tested from the command line with embpex

RE: [$ hidden $] bug in 2.0?

2005-07-26 Thread Gerald Richter
> > Sorry to contradict you Gerald, but I'm looking right at the > resulting page source - I can switch back and forth here and > it *does* behave the way I'm telling you. I have no idea why > you would be seeing something different... > I tested from the command line with embpexec.pl with yo

Re: Some philosophical questions

2005-07-26 Thread Ed Grimm
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Neil Gunton wrote: > Perl 6 looks to me like a huge white elephant. It may work, > eventually. In fact, when it does, it may be a beautiful, finely > crafted virtual machine (Parrot?) that can run multiple languages with > aplomb. However, it will likely do all this to a large

Re: Some philosophical questions

2005-07-26 Thread Lars Kelto
Advocacy for tools like mod_perl and Embperl may be a way to go, but it can't really replace "buzz" in the developer community. I know a lot of people and companies using mod_perl, and writing CGIs. This may or may not be driven by legacy motivations. But one thing I find consistently is

Re: Some philosophical questions

2005-07-26 Thread Neil Gunton
Hall, Philippe wrote: I love EmbPerl -- I've been using it for 3 or 4 years now. I'd love to see it climb out of obscurity. I agree! Just to be clear (reading back over my emails) none of this is really directed at Gerald. I love Embperl too, and plan to continue using it heavily. You're ri

RE: Some philosophical questions

2005-07-26 Thread Hall, Philippe
Ok, here's a story to inspire/depress us all -- I recently developed a really nice community website for my company (using EmbPerl, of course, and Postgres). The corporate office saw it and wanted to take it, commercialize it, and distribute it to other divisions for use in other markets. The p

Re: Some philosophical questions

2005-07-26 Thread Neil Gunton
Ed Grimm wrote: Incidentally, another stratigic issue that is looming over the Perl horizon causing some people to look elsewhere is Perl 6. While it is supposed to be a good thing, there's enough issues surrounding backwards compatibility (it'll be there, sometime. But my impression is, this i

Re: [$ hidden $] bug in 2.0?

2005-07-26 Thread Neil Gunton
Gerald Richter wrote: Mmmh, the code the selects the fields are excatly the same in Embperl 1.3 and 2.0. Also the tests are the same. I don't see that anythings has changed nor was it intended to change it. When I do the same test with Embperl 1.3 and 2.0 both return nothing to me Nope, when I

Re: Some philosophical questions

2005-07-26 Thread Ed Grimm
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005, Neil Gunton wrote: > This may be a little off the usual topic (bug reports, howto etc) but > I am genuinely curious to know what other list members think about it. > Back in 2000 or so, when I started using apache, mod_perl and Embperl, > it was a really dynamic scene and quit

RE: Embperl::Execute under 2.0

2005-07-26 Thread Gerald Richter
Hi Neil, > > Gerald Richter wrote: > > This should work out of the box under mod_perl 2, for mod_perl 1 > > please add a > > > > Embperl::Init () ; > > > > before the first call to Execute in your startup script. > > > > The init call is done by Embperl automaticly, but under mod_perl 1 > >

Re: Some philosophical questions

2005-07-26 Thread Neil Gunton
Lars Kelto wrote: I think that PHP is a lot easier to install and use for the average user/programmer. Maybe more importantly, it is easier to install PHP apps on an ISP's server. Embperl is easy to install, but mod_perl can be tricky and you have to be somewhat of a guru to understand it a

RE: [$ hidden $] bug in 2.0?

2005-07-26 Thread Gerald Richter
> > > > Should behave the same in Embperl 1.3, if not it is an bug > in Embperl > > 1.3 (as you know @ffld gets automaticly setup for > parameters posted to > > the page, so maybe your testcase are slightly different for 2.0 and > > 1.3?) > > No, this works when I enable 1.3 and it doesn't w

Re: [$ hidden $] bug in 2.0?

2005-07-26 Thread Neil Gunton
Gerald Richter wrote: I am having a problem with one of my forms under Embperl 2.0rc4, which works under 1.3.6. Here is a minimal case: [- $fdat{xxx} = 'xxx' -] Add [- @ffld = keys %fdat -] [$ hidden $] This does not produce any hidden value for 'xxx'. It does under 1.3. Setup is

Re: Some philosophical questions

2005-07-26 Thread Lars Kelto
I think that PHP is a lot easier to install and use for the average user/programmer. Maybe more importantly, it is easier to install PHP apps on an ISP's server. Embperl is easy to install, but mod_perl can be tricky and you have to be somewhat of a guru to understand it and use it's power.

RE: [$ hidden $] bug in 2.0?

2005-07-26 Thread Gerald Richter
> > I am having a problem with one of my forms under Embperl > 2.0rc4, which works under 1.3.6. > > Here is a minimal case: > > [- $fdat{xxx} = 'xxx' -] Add [- @ffld = keys %fdat -] > > [$ hidden $] > > > This does not produce any hidden value for 'xxx'. It does under 1.3. > > Setup