Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-05 Thread Alex Joni
> As I see it, someone (Chris Morley) wanted to extend stepconf so that it > had > uses beyond one specific GUI no, he didn't > - An effort I for one would support. no, you wouldn't > There is little point in producing a different setup wizard for each and > every GUI - It duplicates work, tur

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-05 Thread paul_c
On Wednesday 04 February 2009, Ray Henry wrote: > On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 11:58 +, paul_c wrote: > > Chris, your thread raises several questions, none of which have had a > > satisfactory answer when asked in the past... > > We really should be asking this questions of the EMC board -- of which >

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-05 Thread EBo
Alex Joni said: > > Maybe a workable solution to this conundrum would be for Chris to fork a > > version of Stepconf into a new configurator (maybe called pyvcpConf or > > something). Since forking (sub)projects is not only legal in GPL but > > encouraged, Chris can add to his hearts content wit

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-05 Thread Alex Joni
> Maybe a workable solution to this conundrum would be for Chris to fork a > version of Stepconf into a new configurator (maybe called pyvcpConf or > something). Since forking (sub)projects is not only legal in GPL but > encouraged, Chris can add to his hearts content without stepping on Jeff's >

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-04 Thread EBo
Maybe a workable solution to this conundrum would be for Chris to fork a version of Stepconf into a new configurator (maybe called pyvcpConf or something). Since forking (sub)projects is not only legal in GPL but encouraged, Chris can add to his hearts content without stepping on Jeff's vision or

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-04 Thread Chris Morley
> It seems to this observer that what has happened recently centers around > who wrote the original and the vision they had for it. As others saw > potential for new abilities that piggybacked the earlier work there was > a clash of vision. > This is indeed what has happened. The originator

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-04 Thread Alan Condit
On Feb 4, 2009, at Feb 4, 2009--3:27 PM, alex.joni wrote: > It's not actually removing things from pyvcp. Pyvcp still can do > all the > things it did a week ago. > The question at hand was what to include into stepconf generated > configs. > (Note: stepconf is a utility which helps users to s

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-04 Thread Ray Henry
On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 09:14 -0600, Jeff Epler wrote: > When I wrote stepconf, my purpose was to reduce the amount of support > required by a new user with a sherline-class machine before he can start > to do basic milling tasks. > > I don't see this as fitting that goal. It sounds like Jeff is c

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-04 Thread Jeff Epler
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 05:38:47AM +, Chris Morley wrote: > A) don't click it. (I know what you are saying - everyone will click it - > but thats good see B) > > B) click it and find out how it works- don't like it or can't figure it out > then unclick it. with almost no effort

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-04 Thread Chris Radek
On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 08:18:47AM -0600, Ray Henry wrote: > We really should be asking this questions of the EMC board -- of which > Chris is but one member. Different Chris... I'm not involved in this one, except for a vague feeling of puzzlement because I recall substantial discussion abou

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-04 Thread Ray Henry
On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 11:58 +, paul_c wrote: > On Wednesday 04 February 2009, Chris Morley wrote: > > All valid points that could have been a good start to a discussion for > > changes rather then deletion. The panel did not just have buttons > > for offsets. The EMC development community does

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-04 Thread Alex Joni
> In regards of your particular case - Not everyone wants to be forced in to > using one specific GUI. So if pyvcp offers something that has a more > universal appeal, it should be worth considering.. On the flip side, > if "duplication of functionality is forbidden", then I would take that as >

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-04 Thread paul_c
On Wednesday 04 February 2009, Chris Morley wrote: > All valid points that could have been a good start to a discussion for > changes rather then deletion. The panel did not just have buttons > for offsets. > I short note to me saying why you want to remove it and that you would > entertain other i

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-03 Thread Chris Morley
> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:10:30 +0100 > From: emef...@gmail.com > To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed > > Does it offer quadrature output configuration? > If not, it already creates confusion. > I&

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-03 Thread Chris Morley
> I did not intend my changelog message as a personal attack, and I am > sorry that I didn't choose my words better. Thank you - I did take it personally > > A key question about an option in stepconf is whether it will create > confusion for a novice user. When a panel item duplicates a f

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-03 Thread EBo
John, > Alex can I borrow your soccer shin guards? :) > > > > Well, you can have the spare pair, but it's in the laundry.. you > > might want > > to reconsider :D > > Yuck! no you can keep them I'll just put on my Stihl cut guard pants they are supposed to > stop a chain saw... I can persona

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-03 Thread John Thornton
Alex can I borrow your soccer shin guards? :) > > Well, you can have the spare pair, but it's in the laundry.. you > might want > to reconsider :D Yuck! no you can keep them I'll just put on my Stihl cut guard pants they are supposed to stop a chain saw... John ---

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-03 Thread Alex Joni
> > I think it is even better too. indeed it is.. > I've never was mad at you or Jeff (my shin did smart for a bit after Jeff > kicked me) but that > is ok now... Alex can I borrow your soccer shin guards? :) Well, you can have the spare pair, but it's in the laundry.. you might want to recons

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-03 Thread John Thornton
On 3 Feb 2009 at 8:25, Chris Radek wrote: > I never had a problem with moving the splash screen, but I do > think > doing it with G92 is a bad idea. This is for two reasons: (1) If > a > user aborts the splash screen run, he will have offsets remaining > that > are confusing, and (2) if a user

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-03 Thread Mario.
Does it offer quadrature output configuration? If not, it already creates confusion. I'm not saying it wouldn't cause additional confusion if the option was there. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jeff Epler wrote: > I did not intend my changelog message as a personal attack, and I am > sorry that

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-03 Thread Jeff Epler
I did not intend my changelog message as a personal attack, and I am sorry that I didn't choose my words better. A key question about an option in stepconf is whether it will create confusion for a novice user. When a panel item duplicates a function already offered by AXIS, I think confusion wil

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-03 Thread Chris Radek
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 08:25:57AM -0600, Chris Radek wrote: > to a mutually-agreed-upon solution on the list yesterday. I meant irc channel, not list. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Ad

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-03 Thread Chris Radek
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 06:06:52AM -0600, John Thornton wrote: > I commited something and cradek reversed it, I thought I forgot to commit > when I > could not find it a day or two later and committed it again... not catching > that cradek had > reversed it. It was over nothing really just cha

Re: [Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-03 Thread John Thornton
On 3 Feb 2009 at 6:37, Chris Morley wrote: > > Greetings. > > I see that the pyvcp example that uses halui in stepconf (of > trunk) > was deleted. I knew that would get your hair to stand on end! I'm not sure if jepler is always like that or something else in his life is bothering him. He b

[Emc-developers] pyvcp example in stepconf removed

2009-02-02 Thread Chris Morley
Greetings. I see that the pyvcp example that uses halui in stepconf (of trunk) was deleted. While I could understand wanting some things possibly changed for technical / usability reasons I don't understand why one would completely remove an example. For instance if having buttons that set clear