Re: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-15 Thread Hans Mellberg
ok folks. This topic needs to be clarified. With respect to each other, by definition, two conductors have a potential difference at 180 degrees. Period. The 90 degree stuff may pertain to current but not to voltage. You would need a four-phase transformer to get 90 degree phasing and simply it

Re: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-15 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Price, Ed wrote (in ) about '2 Phases in North America', on Thu, 13 Dec 2001: >At this point, you still have a single-phase system. The voltage is >240 Vrms, from one "hot" line to the other. The voltage from each >hot line to neutral (and ground) is 120 Vrm

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-15 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Tania Grant wrote (in ) about 'Sometimes product safety just isn't enough', on Fri, 14 Dec 2001: >And we have strayed here from the subject matter  (although I don't >mind!).   Just how much does a product designer and a product >safety professional owe to m

Re: What happened to the IEC60417 symbol library?

2001-12-15 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that POWELL, DOUG wrote (in ) about 'What happened to the IEC60417 symbol library?', on Fri, 14 Dec 2001: >But of course the link is dead. Does anyone know if it moved? Go to http://www.iec.ch and contact the IEC directly. There is a new URL. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-15 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Nerad, DarenHS-SNS wrote (in <47c2376d5478d4119fa800508be390ee025be...@hsmx53nt.rkd.snds.co m>) about 'Sometimes product safety just isn't enough', on Fri, 14 Dec 2001: >and that of Wile E. Coyote and his equipment from the ACME > (obviously, >most of i

RE: What happened to the IEC60417 symbol library?

2001-12-15 Thread ggarside
Surely IEC 60417-1 and ..617 are different standards? The former is "Graphical Symbols for use on EQUIPMENT..." (my emphasis). Whereas: IEC 60617-1GRAPHICAL SYMBOLS FOR DIAGRAMS [about 13 parts, -1 to -13] IEC 60617-1 (Still interesting, I'd missed that announcement about IEC 60617.)

RE: What happened to the IEC60417 symbol library?

2001-12-15 Thread robertj
Its now available from IEC (at a price - copyrighted you know): IEC 60617 Graphical Symbols database The IEC 60617 Graphical Symbols for Diagrams database (http://domino.iec.ch/symbols) has now been launched officially. The database offers users a dynamic facility featuring some 1 400 symbols in

RE: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-15 Thread Brent DeWitt
Hi all, Even though I am an electrical engineer, I'm terribly confused by this post. I have always believed (and on a few occasions measured) the standard US home system feed. There is no choice of 240 volts. The "220" volt feed used by larger devices is two 118 VAC phases 120 degrees apart. Th

Re: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-15 Thread Cortland Richmond
This is rather similar to asking what the first harmonic of the power line frequency is. (grin!) Cortland "Jayasinghe, Ryan" wrote: > 180° out of phase? > --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee

RE: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-15 Thread Pettit, Ghery
Gotcha! -Original Message- From: Robert Macy [mailto:m...@california.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:40 PM To: Pettit, Ghery; James Collum; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough AR!! I went there, read down through much, befo

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-15 Thread Robert Macy
AR!! I went there, read down through much, before it soaked in. - Robert - -Original Message- From: Pettit, Ghery To: 'Robert Macy' ; James Collum ; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:15 PM Subject

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-15 Thread Doug McKean
I think it's worth mentioning interpretations of the definition of "end user" in 950. In my opinion, "end users" are obviously people who use the equipment and are also not expected to be aware of the hazards. That's why, in my opinion, the thread about safety critical parts was so difficu

Re: Regulatory General Discussion : ouput of Compliance group

2001-12-15 Thread Doug McKean
"Andre, Pierre-Marie" wrote: > > So has anybody some thoughts or argument on the measurement > or evaluation of an Compliance Group ? Well, I'd hate to let the dirty little secret out of the bag for those of us who would fall under such and evaluation. Important in such an evaluation would be t

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-15 Thread Doug McKean
I've dropped the picture into a Word document and titled it, "You Can Design Only So Much Common Sense Into A Product". Then at the bottom, put Hand drill = $35 Metal ladder = $50 Bare feet on metal ladder in pool ... Priceless and posted it outside my cubicle. It's been

RE: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-15 Thread Pettit, Ghery
Now, you do need to worry about some of these obscure chemicals. There is an entire web page devoted to the hazards of DHMO, di-Hydrogen Monoxide. www.dhmo.org Check this out. It could save someone you love. Ghery Pettit Intel -Original Message- From: Robert Macy [mailto:m...@califor

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-15 Thread Robert Macy
In deference to the warning label on the peanuts bag. Some people have life threatening allergies to peanuts and take warnings such as that and warnings on cookies, etc very seriously. But then again, you'd think with the main label "Peanuts" would be sufficient. Perhaps, someone is making pean