Re: opinions, please

2003-11-10 Thread pat.law...@verizon.net
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:28:36 -0500, john.radom...@modicon.com wrote: ... The instructions accompanying the component must clearly indicate these requirements, the pertinent limitations of use and how to comply without resorting to an EMC specialist (such components are available to non-EMC

Re: EN 61000-3-2:2000

2003-11-10 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Josh: This standard has been adopted by China and Japan. Japan has added a source impedance for the test setup, but it implies to me that this is a world-wide issue. The question I was attempting to answer was John's question if 61000-3-2 is not an EMC standard, then what kind of a

RE: EN 61000-3-2:2000

2003-11-10 Thread Joshua Wiseman
This standard has been adopted by China and Japan. Japan has added a source impedance for the test setup, but it implies to me that this is a world-wide issue. Josh From: Rich Nute [mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:09 PM To: j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk Cc:

RE: opinions, please

2003-11-10 Thread GARY MCINTURFF
Well, playing the devils advocate here. If RAM is an apparatus if you can install it on into a socket, but not an apparatus if I buy the RAM as a surface mount, or through hole device? Gary From: john.radom...@modicon.com Reply-To: john.radom...@modicon.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org

Re: EN 61000-3-2:2000

2003-11-10 Thread Rich Nute
Hi John: Some have questioned whether 61000-3-2 is even an EMC standard! If not, what do you think it is? I fall into the group that question whether 61000-3-2 is an EMC -- Electo-Magnetic Compatibility -- standard. The objective is to prevent reduction of peak voltage on the

Re: opinions, please

2003-11-10 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that john.radom...@modicon.com wrote (in OFE53AA504 .20033386-on85256dda.005743bd-85256dda.00707...@modicon.com) about 'opinions, please' on Mon, 10 Nov 2003: By the way, according to the same guidelines, integrated circuits are components without a direct function. So, one

Re: opinions, please

2003-11-10 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Frazee, Douglas (Douglas) dfra...@lucent.com wrote (in b5113b318d44bbe87dc50092eda96c6...@nj7460exch006u.ho.luce nt.com) about 'opinions, please' on Mon, 10 Nov 2003: I don't believe there is an official parallel to the FCC procedure for CE-Marking, though a small

RE: opinions, please

2003-11-10 Thread GARY MCINTURFF
Doug, I understand the point you are trying to make, but I see the memory more analgous to a resistor array than a disk drive. Certainly there is much less complexity than a disk drive, the ram doesn't have read head drive motors, position reading devices, its own memory and controllers - for

Re: EN 61000-3-2:2000

2003-11-10 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Ralph McDiarmid ralph.mcdiar...@xantrex.com wrote (in 67C475A5ECE7D4118AEC0002B325CAB60581A413@BCMAIL1) about 'EN 61000-3-2:2000' on Mon, 10 Nov 2003: IMO, if such an interpretation is not forthcoming then it shall be left to the manufacturers to interprete it and state

RE: opinions, please

2003-11-10 Thread john.radom...@modicon.com
According to the Guidelines on the application of Directive 89/336/EEC: ... Plug-in cards, such as smart cards or input/output modules, designed for incorporation into computers are apparatus commonly found in retail outlets, and available to the general public. Once cards of this type are

IEEE EMC Chapter Meeting, Wednesday November 19th 2003

2003-11-10 Thread Camille Good
Dear Colleagues: In order to avoid conflicts with the Thanksgiving weekend, this month's IEEE EMC Oregon SW Washington Chapter meeting will be held on Wednesday, November 19th. It will be at the same location, Franz Hall 223 at the University of Portland. If you are planning to attend, please

Re: opinions, please

2003-11-10 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Doug Massey dmas...@acstestlab.com wrote (in 002901c3a796$902ff1a0$1001000a@Doug) about 'opinions, please' on Mon, 10 Nov 2003: And as to the modem card mentioned in a previous reply to this thread, I think it is marked to indicate compliance to the RTTE Directive, which

RE: South Africa radio approvals

2003-11-10 Thread Sam Wismer
Hello Vic, I have just completed an investigation into WLAN devices for South Africa. The agency is The Independent Communications Authority of South Africa (ICASA) and the Website is http://www.icasa.org.za/. Type Approval can be obtained based upon test reports obtained by accredited test

RE: EN 61000-3-2:2000

2003-11-10 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
Jim raises an excellent point. IMO, if such an interpretation is not forthcoming then it shall be left to the manufacturers to interprete it and state it in their documentation, just as the Performance Criteria has been left. (see the thread on that topic a few months ago!) If standards like

RE: opinions, please

2003-11-10 Thread Frazee, Douglas (Douglas)
I took a second look at the EMCD guidelines, chapter 6 and have changed my opinion. In the EMCD guidelines, if the DRAMS are sold to the end user, applicability of the EMCD comes down to whether the DRAM modules perform a direct function to the end user. The examples given in chapter 6 of the

Re: Reminder: SCV EMC Society Mtg; Prof. Todd Hubing, Nov. 11 in Santa Clara

2003-11-10 Thread hansm
minor correction on tittle; ignore the Re: EN 61000-3-2:2000 that was inadvertantly added before the tittle. Tittle is: PCB EMC Design Guidelines: A Brief Annotated List Don't miss this event! Here is your chance to listen to Professor Todd Hubing, world-renowned expert! All welcome, IEEE

Reminder: SCV EMC Society Mtg; Prof. Todd Hubing, Nov. 11 in Santa Clara

2003-11-10 Thread hansm
PCB EMC Design Guidelines: A Brief Annotated List Don't miss this event! Here is your chance to listen to Professor Todd Hubing, world-renowned expert! All welcome, IEEE membership NOT required, Bring collegue(s)! Gathering/Social with food and drinks, begins at 5:30pm, meeting begins at

RE: opinions, please

2003-11-10 Thread Doug Massey
I have to throw my opinion in on this one, couldn't resist - Let's not beat around the bush - NO, the CE mark does not apply. Most certainly, it is exempt from the LVD. As to EMC, this device has no clock to radiate by itself. It is subject to the EMCD when and only when incorporated into an

EMC requirements USA

2003-11-10 Thread iun...@servomex.com
Dear Group, In North America, are there any EMC testing and performance requirements specifically covering industrial process measuring equipment? Many thanks in anticipation of your replies. Ian Unwin * *Register now at www.servomex.com/zap.html

Re: EN 61000-3-2:2000

2003-11-10 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Jim Ericson jde...@nas.com wrote (in gaeajkfnhcahabpifcimiecacbaa.jde...@nas.com) about 'EN 61000-3-2:2000' on Sun, 9 Nov 2003: The question about whether the intent of the writers (of EN 61000-3-2:2000) was to require a double repeatability test for each EUT tested, or

South Africa radio approvals

2003-11-10 Thread Gibling, Vic
Hello, I am trying to identify the necessary approval requirements for placing an intentional radiator ( radio vehicle alarm) in South Africa. I have contacted SABS via email. Has anyone any experience/ guidance or suggested websites I would be most grateful? Many thanks Vic Gibling

Re: Automotive directive

2003-11-10 Thread Luke Turnbull
Amund, The directive contains all of the testing methods required and does not refer to other standards. There is a new draft automotive EMC directive that contains requirements for ISO 7637 Transients as well as radiated emission and radiated immunity that are in the current directive. Luke

RE: Automotive directive

2003-11-10 Thread Peter Conboy
Amund, If your TV is intended for use whilst the vehicle is running then it should be e marked to 95/54/EC. This directive is product specific and includes the tests for radiated emissions and susceptibility. However note that it does not deal with conducted phenomena! so you may want to CE as

RE: Automotive directive

2003-11-10 Thread Martin O'Hara
Check out this site for Automotive EMC related facts, including test services in Scandanavia with e-mark test capability. www.autoemc.net Regards, Martin From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of am...@westin-emission.no Sent: 09 November

RE: EN 61000-3-2:2000

2003-11-10 Thread Jim Ericson
John: The question about whether the intent of the writers (of EN 61000-3-2:2000) was to require a double repeatability test for each EUT tested, or whether the intent was simply to demonstrate a process qualification has been touched on in this forum for over two years. It is now November