Re: Medical devices and voltage dip testing

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Pat Lawler posted: >> If a product is rated for 100-240Vac operation, this means test levels like 40Vac for 100ms (100Vac/50Hz nominal input, 60% dip for 5 cycles). The performance criteria makes this especially difficult - "The system shall provide essential performance". << Do not forget that,

RE: Sources for DO-160

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Hi Hans, I bought mine directly from the RTCA (downloaded) at: http://www.rtca.org/onlinecart/allproducts.cfm Take care sir, Brent DeWitt From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of hansm Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 10:48 AM To: EMC-PS

RE: EN 61000-3-2

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Maybe some of the Product Safety folks could correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the nameplate must be as high or higher than any actual operating condition. If this is the case, then I would say that the conservative approach would be to use the nameplate rating. I have always used the term "

Near field/far field calculations

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Andy, I ran another simulation. This time with a collinear array 1/4 wavelength above a reflecting plane (perfect ground). Very similar I think to the antenna you described to me. The collinear is 0.6 meters long. I classify this as an aperture antenna. I would have gone to a 1 meter length but t

Near/far field definition

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
It seems there are two definitions of the near/far field transition. The definition "an area where the ultimate pattern is not fully formed" appears to apply to my simulation out to a few meters, which is over 100 wavelengths. But the region where the induction fields exist (the definition I usuall

RE: Near field/far field calculations, additional

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Correction in the last formula. To remind you, this is the "pillbox" antenna having a length of 1 meter and a height of 0.07 meter. The frequency is 9000 kmc (or GHz if you like). From: drcuthbert Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 4:57 PM To: 'Price, Andrew P (UK Basildon)'; IEEE EMC-PSTC E-mail F

A different kind of power cross event

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Our IT Services group sent around a cryptic e-mail indicating that one of our facilities lost 4 cards in their PBX, due to "Telephone and Energy cables mixed by a truck." The inference is that a utility service person performing service on street level boxes caused the problem. The precise mecha

RE: EN 61000-3-2

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
I used to deal with this type of testing/approvals for previous companies/employers and some would use the 'rating' label and not do the test based on the 'rating' label. Other companies would assess the power level from actual measurements and test or not test accordingly. In my opinion the measur

EN 61000-3-2

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
For class A equipment, harmonic limits are not specified for equipment with a rated power of 75W or less. What is meant by "rated" power? Is this the power level that is actually measured during the test or the rating as shown on the product's data plate? Jim Hulbert Pitney Bowes

RE: Medical devices and voltage dip testing

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
For a "typical" 250W SMPS, I guestimate that the bus cap(s) will contain approx 145 j. I can think of several single fault conditions that would make my product safety Type Tests much more fun and spectacular ... But note that, for voltage dips and short interruptions according to 61000-4-11, IEC

Re: Medical devices and voltage dip testing

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Hi Pat: > If a product is rated for 100-240Vac operation, this > means test levels like 40Vac for 100ms (100Vac/50Hz > nominal input, 60% dip for 5 cycles). The performance > criteria makes this especially difficult - "The system > shall provide essential performance". > >

Re: Near field/far field calculation

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
You are indeed correect Ken: I shouldn't reply until my 2nd cup of Starbucks kicks in Cheers, Derek. Ken Javor wrote on 4/29/2004, 12:30 PM: > lambda/2 pi is only for a tuned dipole-like antenna. 2D^2/lambda is the > proper expression for a high gain aperture antenna, which is > defini

Re: Near field/far field calculation

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
lambda/2 pi is only for a tuned dipole-like antenna. 2D^2/lambda is the proper expression for a high gain aperture antenna, which is definitely what the original post was about. > From: "Derek Walton" > Organization: L F Research > Reply-To: "Derek Walton" > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:40:15 -050

Medical devices and voltage dip testing

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
EN60601-1-2:2001 (EMC requirements for general medical devices) requires various voltage dip tests at the extremes of the rated input voltage range. If a product is rated for 100-240Vac operation, this means test levels like 40Vac for 100ms (100Vac/50Hz nominal input, 60% dip for 5 cycles). The pe

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2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
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Sources for DO-160

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Thanks in advance for your help and leads. Hans Mellberg Engineering Manager BACL, a TCB and an EU CAB 230 Commercial Street Sunnyvale CA 94085 USA 408-732-9162 x38 408-732-9164 fax

RE: Near field/far field calculation

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Classically I've used Lambda over two Pi. But I guess it's worth considdering that there is near field, transition region, and far field. Thoughts? drcuthb...@micron.com wrote on 4/29/2004, 9:08 AM: > > What should our definition of near/far field be? My somewhat arbitrary > definition

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RE: Near field/far field calculation

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
What should our definition of near/far field be? My somewhat arbitrary definition for this case is where the fall-off in the E-field deviates by 1 dB from 20LOG(D/d). A better definition might be some deviation in the 377 ratio of E-to-H. I think I can mimic a dish by properly phasing many dipoles

Re: Antenna near field/far field calculations

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Andrew Price wrote: >> I just couldn't believe that the boundary would be at 67 mteres. << You might find even harder to believe how far away the "near field" might extend for an electric lantern's 5 or 6 cm dish. Cortland This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Com

RE: Near field/far field calculation

2004-04-29 Thread owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Dave and all, That is a wire antenna. The far field is based on a different criteria. :-) Tim Foo drcuthb...@micron.com wrote on 27/04/2004 11:44 PM > I ran a NEC simulation to make some sense of this. > This is too big of a reflector for NEC to handle > so I made a large rhombic. The rh