Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

2012-08-09 Thread Michael Derby
Renewed annually. I don't recall if a dog license is cheaper if you have a black and white dog. Michael Derby Regulatory Engineer ACB Europe -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: 08 August 2012 21:27 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re:

Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

2012-08-09 Thread Michael Derby
Hello, I am enjoying this conversation. It's worth pointing out to the non-BBC watchers that there are no commercials/adverts on the BBC. They get their money through the license fee. So, basically, we are paying for the privilege/opportunity to watch television without any commercials

Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

2012-08-09 Thread John Allen
Good job that cats are exempt – we have 2x black white ones, but I suppose they would still be cheaper than a Siamese Blue! J (Getting really silly - but funny – although I think we are now getting a “little” too far away from the original issue!) John Allen W. London

Re: [PSES] MIL STD 461E NECESSARY BANDWIDTH

2012-08-09 Thread Charlie Blackham
ETSI standards typically define Spurious Emissions as being those removed from cF by 250% of the necessary bandwidth. Emissions within this region are typically covered by Spectral Mask and Occupied Bandwidth requirements, both of which are typically measured using much lower RBWs than used

Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

2012-08-09 Thread John Cotman
A nice touch with the TV licence is the reduced rate you get if you are registered blind. -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 08 August 2012 21:55 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

2012-08-09 Thread Mcburney, Ian
ALL If you're aged 75 or more, you don't have to pay for a Licence. Ian McBurney Design Engineer Allen Heath Ltd Kernick Industrial Estate Penryn, Cornwall TR10 9LU United Kingdom +44 (0)1326 370121 ian.mcbur...@dmh-global.com www.allen-heath.com A DMH Pro Company. -Original

Re: [PSES] NOM approval for ITE equipment

2012-08-09 Thread Brian Oconnell
I am certain that Ted has much more consumer-product experience, but for the simple ITE (typically component power conversion stuff) that I submit, do not have to use NOM019 and can certify to ANSI60950-1 or CSA No.60950-1-07. Probably relatively easy for me, because we have factory in TJ, so I

Re: [PSES] MIL STD 461E NECESSARY BANDWIDTH

2012-08-09 Thread Ed Price
Charlie: The USA DoD procurement system uses a detailed contract to legally bind a vendor to a number of conditions, and in the EMC area, the successful performance of MIL-STD-461F is typical. The contract will call out which specific Test Methods (including variations) are applicable, so if

Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

2012-08-09 Thread Ed Price
John: Do they charge for a radio reception license too? Ed Price El Cajon, CA USA -Original Message- From: John Cotman [mailto:john.cot...@conformance.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:31 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC

Re: [PSES] MIL STD 461E NECESSARY BANDWIDTH

2012-08-09 Thread Ken Javor
Ed, Thanks for addressing the contractual nature of CE106 in particular and MIL-STD-461 in general. You saved me the effort. EMC Compliance has a set of very old tunable notch filters specifically designed for CE106 measurements by Empire Devices for use with the NF-105. These are two pole

Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

2012-08-09 Thread John Woodgate
In message 005f01cd7666$e4dccdb0$ae966910$@cox.net, dated Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Ed Price edpr...@cox.net writes: Do they charge for a radio reception license too? No, that was stopped many years ago. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Instead of saying that

Re: [PSES] MIL STD 461E NECESSARY BANDWIDTH

2012-08-09 Thread John Woodgate
In message 005a01cd7666$84d0a360$8e71ea20$@cox.net, dated Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Ed Price edpr...@cox.net writes: (BTW, can you imagine a world in which 7 fingers or toes per hand or foot gave rise to a base 14 numerical system?) Not needed: human ingenuity is boundless. Counting in different

Re: [PSES] MIL STD 461E NECESSARY BANDWIDTH

2012-08-09 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
It wasn't long ago that NASA was still using units like slugs in their technical publications. The metric system doesn't really impress me any more that does the Imperial system. Whatever you're used to working with, works just fine.I don't see advantage in one system of measurement over

Re: [PSES] MIL STD 461E NECESSARY BANDWIDTH

2012-08-09 Thread Ed Price
10-penny nail is 7.62 cm long, or as we say it, 3 inches. But I prefer to build with deck screws; a power tool is involved, and I don't have to hit it straight. Ed Price El Cajon, CA USA From: ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com [mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com]

Re: [PSES] MIL STD 461E NECESSARY BANDWIDTH

2012-08-09 Thread John Woodgate
In message OF73862E92.87B1D240-ON88257A55.00700412-88257A55.0070B3E7@US.Schneider-E lectric.com, dated Thu, 9 Aug 2012, ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com writes: Anyone know how big a 10-penny nail is? Very small, these days, because the name indicates that you get 10 for a penny. --

[PSES] Electrical Code in India and Thailand?

2012-08-09 Thread Doug Nix
Colleagues, I am looking for information on the electrical codes in force in India and Thailand. If anyone can point me to the sources for these codes, or can provide consulting services in these jurisdictions, please contact me off-list at d...@complianceinsight.ca, +1 (519) 729-5704. --

Re: [PSES] MIL STD 461E NECESSARY BANDWIDTH

2012-08-09 Thread Charlie Blackham
Ed I didn't say the US DoD would buy it :). Out of interest, does the US DoD operate an Urgent Operation Requirement or similar short-cutting procurement process, as done by UK MoD, that allows them to bring stuff into use that has known, acceptable and mitigated EMC performance, but does

Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

2012-08-09 Thread Peter Tarver
I’ve watched BBC News rebroadcast in the US. One thing BBC absolutely is not is politically unbiased. Peter Tarver *From:* Michael Derby [mailto:micha...@acbcert.com] *Sent:* Thursday, August 09, 2012 00:45 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits

Re: [PSES] Electrical Code in India and Thailand?

2012-08-09 Thread Ted Eckert
Hi Doug, The Bureau of Indian Standards covers the electrical requirements for India. See Part 8, Section 2. http://www.bis.org.in/sf/nbc.htm I believe it has some similarity to older IEE Wiring Regulations from the UK. As such, there is some similarity to BS 7671. However, I can't say how

Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

2012-08-09 Thread Bill Owsley
Indeed, their sponsor is the present government.   But I like their reporting on the US much better than our own homegrown reporting. From: Peter Tarver ptar...@enphaseenergy.com To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2012 6:29 PM Subject:

Re: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

2012-08-09 Thread Bill Owsley
My granddaughter and I just cleaned up the old rotary dial phone and tried it... It worked just fine.  Probably about 50 years old it is!!! ps. we could hear the DSL too.  And my more modern electronic phone has a switch for tone or pulse, no auto switching for me! But the cell is how all the

Re: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

2012-08-09 Thread Bill Owsley
There has to be reason to change the regulations and since the reason went away, the text will remain as no one has any motivation to go thru the process to delete it. Like the flicker standard 61000-3-3,  subjective flickering of incandescent lights - that have been banned in the EU. How long

Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

2012-08-09 Thread Bill Owsley
You are on the dole by then too ??  So paying that would just be taxing back some taxes paid out!   From: Mcburney, Ian ian.mcbur...@dmh-global.com To: John Cotman john.cot...@conformance.co.uk; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent:

Re: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics

2012-08-09 Thread Bill Owsley
And if deaf too, do you get a free license?? From: John Cotman john.cot...@conformance.co.uk To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2012 4:31 AM Subject: RE: [PSES] FW: [PSES] EU sets EMC limits for London Olympics A nice touch with the TV