Re: [PSES] Two new blog postings

2012-12-16 Thread Cortland Richmond
Here is an antenna from 2003, the Gottingen Heart Antenna, whose only similar incarnations appear to be a folded capacitive loaded equivalent) the gull wing ridged waveguide horn -- and IIRC Kraus' exponentially curved solid dipole drawing in /Antennas/.

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-16 Thread Anthony Thomson
That's a very easy question... MOVs are cheap and reasonably effective at both protecting primary circuits and preventing transmission of spikes and spurious signals into secondary circuits where they wreak functional havoc. Few consumers would pay for industrially robust goods. T -

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-16 Thread Doug Powell
I would think the device only needs to pass the required surge testing of EN61000-4-5 as well as associated EFT/Burst and Ringwave, if required. Doug Douglas E Powell http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 --Original Message-- From: Richard Nute To: Doug Powell To: EMC-PSTC ReplyTo:

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-16 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
It's really a power thing too. (energy by time) If you hit the MOVs too often with a 6kV pulse, they'll overheat and fail. If say you hit them every 90s instead of every 30s, they'll likely survive a hundred hits. ___

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-16 Thread John Woodgate
In message OFE46BE9DC.DA54D6BA-ON88257AD6.00657B8E-88257AD6.0067472A@US.Schneider-E lectric.com, dated Sun, 16 Dec 2012, ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com writes: It's really a power thing too. (energy by time) If you hit the MOVs too often with a 6kV pulse, they'll overheat and fail.

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-16 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
Some standards require considerably more than 1500V surge on mains input (L-L and L-N and L-G). The expected over-voltage (from nearby lightning) depends on service voltage (120/240 vs 277/480, etc) IEEE 1547.1 requires 6kV surge testing for static inverter used for distributed generation,

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-16 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
From a safety perspective, it's much better to design to minimum clearance require w/o the MOVs and then to include them in the circuit. (e.g. what happens of the MOV fails open?) From an EMC perspective, L-C filters with a hi-Q, like those used for RFI on mains input circuits, can increase

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-16 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
I want to add to that that any Hi-Q EMC filter is per definition a bad emc filter. EMC filters should never be steep, have a narrow frequency band, or allow resonance. Easy design rule: use small L and BIG C's. Small L's do better at High frequency too ! Use low grade EMC ferrite as a core, no

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-16 Thread John Woodgate
In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA489140BC7@ZEUS.cetest.local, dated Sun, 16 Dec 2012, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl writes: Regarding the MOV: for professional appliances a fused MOV is common; they Mostly have a fused indicator or even output. In

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-16 Thread John Woodgate
In message OF48DFA6EA.9932593A-ON88257AD6.0065FB4B-88257AD6.006A700E@US.Schneider-E lectric.com, dated Sun, 16 Dec 2012, ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com writes: Some standards require considerably more than 1500V surge on mains input (L-L and L-N and L-G). We don't expect more than

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-16 Thread Doug Powell
If you pass the minimum requirements for surge in the environmental conditions specified, you have done enough. Good design practice says install the MOVs downstream of the EMI filter to buffer the surge with a small bit or impedance. If you want to go beyond the regulatory compliance needs

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-16 Thread John Woodgate
In message 1454929815-1355690903-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-192443596 2-@b15.c21.bise6.blackberry, dated Sun, 16 Dec 2012, doug...@gmail.com writes: Good design practice says install the MOVs downstream of the EMI filter to buffer the surge with a small bit or impedance. Does

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-16 Thread Doug Powell
John, The susceptible components in a filter are the Y and X capacitors. Y are for line to earth connections. These are typically rated and certified as Y1, Y2, etc. This rating is specific to the surge withstand capability in the IEC component test standard. Similarly the X capacitors

Re: [PSES] Why use an MOV?

2012-12-16 Thread John Woodgate
In message 1745841055-1355694284-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-247462401 -@b15.c21.bise6.blackberry, dated Sun, 16 Dec 2012, doug...@gmail.com writes: The susceptible components in a filter are the Y and X capacitors. I am quite up to speed on that. My question applied to the