Re: [PSES] New Radio Equipment Directive (RED) - please read if you sell wireless devices into Europe

2014-10-30 Thread John Woodgate
In message <17fe01cff478$206e8300$614b8900$@acbcert.com>, dated Thu, 30 Oct 2014, Michael Derby writes: As you say, they do have a timeline goal to work towards! A goal, yes, but scoring it is another matter entirely. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Qui

Re: [PSES] New Radio Equipment Directive (RED) - please read if you sell wireless devices into Europe

2014-10-30 Thread John Woodgate
In message <000f424e.68967bf92ace4...@rpqconsulting.com>, dated Thu, 30 Oct 2014, "rpick...@rpqconsulting.com" writes: Is, or will, ETSI be revising it's R&TTE referenced standards? And if so, does anyone have any information as to when that will be completed? Hopefully it'll be completed be

Re: [PSES] New Radio Equipment Directive (RED) - please read if you sell wireless devices into Europe

2014-10-30 Thread Michael Derby
Yes, ETSI are working on new standards and updates to old standards. As you say, they do have a timeline goal to work towards! Michael. Michael Derby Senior Regulatory Engineer Director ACB Europe From: rpick...@rpqconsulting.com [mailto:rpick...@rpqconsulting.com] Sent: 30 Octo

Re: [PSES] New Radio Equipment Directive (RED) - please read if you sell wireless devices into Europe

2014-10-30 Thread rpickard
That raises a question for hopefully not only me. Is, or will, ETSI be revising it's R&TTE referenced standards? And if so, does anyone have any information as to when that will be completed? Hopefully it'll be completed before the R&TTE to RED transition ends. I look forward to your re

Re: [PSES] New Radio Equipment Directive (RED) - please read if you sell wireless devices into Europe

2014-10-30 Thread Bill Stumpf
Very interesting topic. I am of the opinion that until the NB is NANDO listed, they could not offer a NB Type Examination Certificate against the RED. He/she may offer an opinion as a consultant - for what it may be worth. I agree with Michael's comments with regard to waning confidence in la

Re: [PSES] Machinery Start warning

2014-10-30 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
bump -Original Message- From: Nyffenegger, Dave Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:24 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Machinery Start warning Hi Folks, The EC Machinery Directive 1.2.2. Control devices states "Machinery must be fitted with indicators as required for safe op

Re: [PSES] New Radio Equipment Directive (RED) - please read if you sell wireless devices into Europe

2014-10-30 Thread Charlie Blackham
I think Nick was being diplomatic - they can do no such thing, any more than they could give a certificate to the ATEX or MDD directives unless suitably appointed. Charlie -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 30 October 2014 11:26 To: EMC-PSTC@LIS

Re: [PSES] New Radio Equipment Directive (RED) - please read if you sell wireless devices into Europe

2014-10-30 Thread Michael Derby
Hi John, What would the disclaimer be in this case? "Disclaimer: We are not a Notified Body to the RE Directive and this document is legally invalid as a Notified Body certificate" ? It doesn't sound like a very useful certificate. Michael. Michael Derby Senior Regulatory Engineer Direct

Re: [PSES] New Radio Equipment Directive (RED) - please read if you sell wireless devices into Europe

2014-10-30 Thread John Woodgate
In message <2655b21dc209421abdc4eeb95de1a...@bn1pr04mb309.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> , dated Thu, 30 Oct 2014, "Hooper, Nick" writes: So a R&TTE NB has no appointment (NANDO database listing) to issue a NB EU type examination Certificate for the RED, they are, at best, misleading their custom

Re: [PSES] New Radio Equipment Directive (RED) - please read if you sell wireless devices into Europe

2014-10-30 Thread John Woodgate
In message -lxa01>, dated Thu, 30 Oct 2014, Anthony Thomson writes: But the thread started with Nick Hooper saying that Notified Body's were already, and have issued opinions against the RED. This is where my interest lies, in finding a NB to issue an opinion against the RED in the coming w

Re: [PSES] New Radio Equipment Directive (RED) - please read if you sell wireless devices into Europe

2014-10-30 Thread Hooper, Nick
Thank you Charlie and Michael for your comments For clarity: If you read my original email, I stated there will NOT be a RED NB NANDO database until the end of 2015/early 2016 at the earliest, there is NO formal date yet, it may be later, the EU accreditation bodies have a lot of work to do on

Re: [PSES] New Radio Equipment Directive (RED) - please read if you sell wireless devices into Europe

2014-10-30 Thread Michael Derby
It’s a valid concern Tony. I imagine that ADCO in Europe are probably (hopefully) looking closely at any Notified Body who would issue a certificate for a Directive if they are not authorised to. There are no Notified Bodies designated to the RE Directive. I would like to think your wani

Re: [PSES] New Radio Equipment Directive (RED) - please read if you sell wireless devices into Europe

2014-10-30 Thread Anthony Thomson
But the thread started with Nick Hooper saying that Notified Body's were already, and have issued opinions against the RED. This is where my interest lies, in finding a NB to issue an opinion against the RED in the coming weeks, when I stumbled across Nicks post questioning the validity of these NB

Re: [PSES] New Radio Equipment Directive (RED) - please read if you sell wireless devices into Europe

2014-10-30 Thread Michael Derby
Just to add to the conversation, I will throw in a little practicality……. There are two primary compliance routes for manufacturers to use the RE Directive, as with the R&TTE Directive. A manufacturer can fully apply the harmonised standards. Or, a manufacturer can consult a Notified Body to