Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question

2015-09-12 Thread Scott Douglas
Well, I never hooked up a 1 kW linear amp to my 5 W CB radio to talk to South America. And woke the neighbors on Sunday morning so they could listen to me on their turned-off console radio receiver... So says Lazyboy KDT-8165 On 9/12/2015 12:37 PM, John Allen wrote: FWIW, 27MHz sounds more l

Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question

2015-09-12 Thread John Allen
Ed Hopefully (?) at least some of the kit sold in the US is also elsewhere in the World where there ARE EM immunity requirements, and so the relevant design precautions are effectively in place anyway (unless/until the bean counters get their way to make the US-market products cheaper!) Joh

Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question

2015-09-12 Thread Ed Price
John: Unfortunately, American consumer electronics has no E-field immunity requirement. The only help a consumer gets is that little paragraph of legalese that advises you to re-orient your device and move further away from emitters. OTOH, most consumer equipment design which takes emission com

Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question

2015-09-12 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Sat, 12 Sep 2015, dward writes: I agree -an amateur could not and would not use a call sign other than his or her designated licensed call sign. No blue leader, no quacking duck, nothing but respective number licensed to him or her. It is, or used to be, a licence offen

Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question

2015-09-12 Thread dward
Yes, that is the point isn’t it – it was not an amateur radio operator. First, wrong frequency, second not the way amateurs identify themselves. ​ Dennis Ward This communication and its attachements contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the e

Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question

2015-09-12 Thread John Allen
FWIW, 27MHz sounds more like a CB station rather than an “real” Amateur station which (IIRC) would be using the 28MHz band – and CB operators (especially in some countries! ) may use illegal amps (“boosters”) to raise the transmit power beyond the legal limits! John Allen W.London, UK Fro

Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question

2015-09-12 Thread dward
I agree -an amateur could not and would not use a call sign other than his or her designated licensed call sign. No blue leader, no quacking duck, nothing but respective number licensed to him or her. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: "ce-

Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question

2015-09-12 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Sat, 12 Sep 2015, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: A Ham never can be a source of interference, by definition (if they respect their limits- in more than one way). It is clearly not true, given the unlimited lack of immunity exhibited by some produc

Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question

2015-09-12 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
A Ham never can be a source of interference, by definition (if they respect their limits- in more than one way). To me an amateur is not a HAM, but that is a matter of language I suppose. My example showed a (spiced up) example of lack of immunity in a professional audio installation , that du

Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question

2015-09-12 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Sat, 12 Sep 2015, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: This is an example of economic drive "fast cheap & pragmatic testing" and this exemption clause is a recipe for problems in the field. It hasn't proved to be, over the long life of this provision,

Re: [PSES] RF Common Mode Immunity Test Question

2015-09-12 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
This is a typical standards clause included in a standard by non-emc "experts". What is a metal enclosure, and when is it not enclosure ? Metalized plastic: is not metal but might be as good Painted metal: complies but may have substantial potential difference between parts If heavy interferenc