Re: [PSES] earthing through PCB traces

2016-06-28 Thread Boštjan Glavič
Thank you Rich. I will check if it is possible to check PE trace cross-section. I also need to consider contact from PE trace to enclosure through pads on PCB and screws. Best regards, Bostjan -Original Message- From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016

Re: [PSES] earthing through PCB traces

2016-06-28 Thread Richard Nute
> I also know this. However some labs are not in favor to > this statement.They interpret it in different way like this > is only applicable to internal components of sub- > assembly that is IEC 60950-1 or IEC 60065 certified. In > addition, it is only allowed during transition period. As far as I

[PSES] Fire requirements in standards

2016-06-28 Thread Richard Nute
> During last TC 108 meeting there was no real consensus > about this topic. Also there was an issue raised that fire > enclosure of some product will fail requirement of new > standard while it was OK for IEC 60950-1 and they will > make a proposal to change the requirement in the > standard. Thi

Re: [PSES] earthing through PCB traces

2016-06-28 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Boštjan: > What is your view to this statement? How should we fill > the verdict in the test report in this case with pass or > N/A? I would say the verdict is "pass." The basis is the paragraph I quoted. No matter the standard, the PE circuit must be capable of carrying the fault current

Re: [PSES] Not Our Area Question

2016-06-28 Thread Jim Hulbert
Article 2 of 2015/863: Article 2 1. Member States shall adopt and publish, by 31 December 2016 at the latest, the laws, regulations and administrative provisions necessary to comply with this Directive. They shall forthwith communicate to the Commission the text of those provisions. They sh

Re: [PSES] earthing through PCB traces

2016-06-28 Thread John Woodgate
Actually, that NOTE is very much not permitted by IEC rules. A committee cannot mandate a future requirement. There absolutely must be a vote of National Committees at the time. The normal voting processes for a Edition 3 would be sufficient, but it would not be permissible to claim that Edition 3

[PSES] Not Our Area Question

2016-06-28 Thread Scott Douglas
I know this is not the RoHS forum, but I am having trouble with a simple question and hope someone here can point me in the right direction. Have not been able to get a clear reading from "RoHS" web sites. We make ITE/AV equipment, category 3 and 4 in RoHS Directive Annex I. At what date must our

Re: [PSES] earthing through PCB traces

2016-06-28 Thread Boštjan Glavič
Hi Rich, I also know this. However some labs are not in favor to this statement.They interpret it in different way like this is only applicable to internal components of sub-assembly that is IEC 60950-1 or IEC 60065 certified. In addition, it is only allowed during transition period. During la

Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM

2016-06-28 Thread John Woodgate
Hey, my mother programmed in BASIC. Show respect! At the end of March, IEC told CENELEC that it wasn't happy about the copyright status of ENs derived from IEC standards. However, IEC doesn't bother to copyright translations into minority languages, so in future we can have European standards o

Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM

2016-06-28 Thread John Woodgate
Cervelat. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England We live in exiting times -Original Message- From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 6:42 PM To: EMC-PSTC@

Re: [PSES] earthing through PCB traces

2016-06-28 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Boštjan: Consider this IEC 62368-1, 4.1.1, paragraph: "Components and subassemblies that comply with IEC 60950-1 or IEC 60065 are acceptable as part of equipment covered by this standard without further evaluation other than to give consideration to the appropriate use of the component or sub

Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM

2016-06-28 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
burritos in Geneva? You mean bratwurst? -Original Message- From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 1:32 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM This was the general sentiment for the same

Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM

2016-06-28 Thread Brian O'Connell
This was the general sentiment for the same discussion we previously had on this, which was memorialized in EDN or ED (do not remember). Am not certain that many standards are developed with public monies, as the ANSI, ISO, and IEC are NGOs, so the EN/UL/CSA/etc adoption of a national version o

Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM

2016-06-28 Thread John Woodgate
Standards produced by tax-payer funded bodies should be free to citizens, shouldn't they? With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England We live in exiting times -Original Message- From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:

Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM

2016-06-28 Thread Cortland Richmond
On 6/28/2016 10:59 AM, John Woodgate wrote: ny standards publisher that makes it difficult to use their standards qualifies for a Darwin Award. How stupid can you get? (We don't know, we aren't extinct yet.) Hmm... Can I expect C63 etc. free on the FCC site? No? What a shame... Cortland Richm

Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM

2016-06-28 Thread Ted Eckert
Hello Dan, IHS is an option. https://global.ihs.com/ You have the option of buying an individual copy of a standard with a single-copy limit or you can build a standards library that allows you to purchase PDF copies of standards that can be shared across your organization. It’s not the cheape

Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM

2016-06-28 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
I buy whatever I can from https://www.evs.ee/shop , 2 licenses so PDF is not locked and is allowed t be put on server. I bought a PDF recently from NFPA and it was not locked, only watermarked. On occasion I have scanned hardcopy to PDF, then run the OCR scanner on it to make it searchable. Fr

Re: [PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM

2016-06-28 Thread John Woodgate
It depends very much on who publishes the standards. For example, many European and IEC standards can be obtained from the Estonian Standards body in English at attractive prices and a choice of means of delivery. https://www.evs.ee/shop ITU and ETSI standards are downloadable and free. Any s

[PSES] Electronic versions of standards and DRM

2016-06-28 Thread Dan Roman, N.C.E.
All,The topic of where to buy standards comes up every once in a while on this list and usually is based on price or licensing type requirements.  I understand that DRM is a necessary evil these days but I am looking for a vendor of standards that does not require that software be installed in orde