Re: [PSES] Marking on Remote Controls

2017-09-21 Thread Scott Douglas
We are located in the US but market primarily in the US, Canada, EU, Australia, New Zealand. We sell in other countries too, but those listed here are the main concern. I did lift battery covers. Most only had information about the batteries (after removing them). One or two had what I call full c

Re: [PSES] Marking on Remote Controls

2017-09-21 Thread Michael Derby
Hi Scott, Did you try removing the battery cover, taking the batteries out, and looking for a label under the batteries? That would be a ‘permanent’ part of the product (the battery cover itself would not), and as long as the remote control is shipped without the batteries in it, then it

[PSES] Marking on Remote Controls

2017-09-21 Thread Scott Douglas
Hi All, We have a dilemma. We are making a new high-end remote control similar to those used with your TV or cable box or DVR, etc. I am asked what compliance markings are required to be on the outside of the remote control. The case is textured a bit and pad printing will be problematic. Thinking

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-21 Thread John Allen
AND, as I should have said, obtained up-to-date copies of the certification docs! John E Allen W. London, UK From: Regan Arndt [mailto:reganar...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 September 2017 21:39 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approval

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-21 Thread John Allen
Datasheets! Mainly marketing “BS”! Never believe them until you have checked in DETAIL with the mfr AND the certification bodies! John E Allen W. London, UK From: IBM Ken [mailto:ibm...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 September 2017 21:44 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Safet

Re: [PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-21 Thread IBM Ken
I have run into this a lot: I don't have any specific example part numbers saved, but often I will be given a datasheet that claims certification with a certain NRTL standard but I can't validate it online. When asked, the manufacturer either says they dropped that certification, or it applied to

[PSES] Safety critical component part #'s and Agency approvals

2017-09-21 Thread Regan Arndt
Greetings everyone, My experience in regulatory compliance dates back to 1994 where it was a foregone conclusion that most component manufacturers did not identify their agency certification as a unique identifier in their part number. I have seen some good progress over the years, but I also b

Re: [PSES] Differences between IEC and UL 60730-1

2017-09-21 Thread Ted Eckert
Hello Rob, If you are a current customer of UL, you can access the National Differences to IEC standards through the UL Standards Certification Customer Library at http://www.ulstandards.com/. If you don't have access to that site, you may need to find out who is the UL "gatekeeper" at your com

Re: [PSES] RED and customer removable/replaceable USB radio modules in a host

2017-09-21 Thread Michael Derby
Hi Dave, It would be wrong of me to comment on this, as I would effectively be saying “I think Michael was correct during the TCB Council training” :) But, I just want to confirm that nothing significant has changed since May on this topic, and so my presentation still applies, in my opi

Re: [PSES] Differences between IEC and UL 60730-1

2017-09-21 Thread Rob Oglesbee
Ted, Thanks. I found the right person and they were able to find that file. Regards, Rob From: Ted Eckert [mailto:ted.eck...@microsoft.com] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 11:01 AM To: Rob Oglesbee ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Differences between IEC and UL 60730-1 Hello Rob,

[PSES] Differences between IEC and UL 60730-1

2017-09-21 Thread Rob Oglesbee
Pardon my ignorance, but is there a place I can purchase just the differences between an IEC standard and the UL version? Regards, Rob - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. T