[PSES] CSA/UL 60950-1 4.7.2.2 Parts not requiring a fire enclosure

2019-05-22 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
Hi folks, Well, more on the interesting topic of fire enclosures, CSA/UL 60950-1 has 4.7.2.2 Parts not requiring a fire enclosure The following do not require a FIRE ENCLOSURE: - motors; - transformers; - electromechanical components complying with 5.3.5 The question is since motors and

Re: [PSES] 62368-1 Openings in a fire enclosure

2019-05-22 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Glyn: You have the option of testing the bulkhead connectors in place (Annex S.1). Apply the test flame to the inside surface of the installed connector material at a point judged to be likely to become ignited because of its proximity to a source of ignition. I suspect your product

Re: [PSES] GB or GC?....that is the question....

2019-05-22 Thread John Woodgate
I entirely agree; testing at 100 A is a no-no. On 2019-05-22 19:04, Richard Nute wrote: Hi John: The grounding circuit need only carry the maximum fault current, which would be in the range of 13 to 20 amps.  Testing at 5 times the maximum fault current is likely to damage the circuit by

Re: [PSES] GB or GC?....that is the question....

2019-05-22 Thread Richard Nute
Hi John: The grounding circuit need only carry the maximum fault current, which would be in the range of 13 to 20 amps. Testing at 5 times the maximum fault current is likely to damage the circuit by itself, let alone finding a manufacturing error. Eyeball inspection of the grounding

Re: [PSES] GB or GC?....that is the question....

2019-05-22 Thread John Woodgate
Thanks, Richard, for the true facts. However, we can look at the facts another way. Since the test is passed, provided the fault does not get worse, the product remains safe. It's not an ideal situation, but it seems that something like a 100 A test would be required in order to detect a fault

Re: [PSES] GB or GC?....that is the question....

2019-05-22 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Regan and all: As I’m sure you know by now, I subscribe to engineering principles, not to the various safety standards. Some years ago, I did some tests to determine the better production-line test for the grounding circuit. I documented my findings in an article in the Product