Re: [PSES] Suitable Test equipment for Touch temperature Testing in accordance with EN 62368-1

2021-09-22 Thread Douglas E Powell
Sorry all, it was pointed out the correct document is IECEE OD-5012 v1.2 All the best, Doug On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 4:38 PM Douglas E Powell wrote: > Test labs are required to follow IEC rules about > temperature measurements. While I.R> guns and FLIR cameras can be used for > diagnostic pu

Re: [PSES] Suitable Test equipment for Touch temperature Testing in accordance with EN 62368-1

2021-09-22 Thread Douglas E Powell
Test labs are required to follow IEC rules about temperature measurements. While I.R> guns and FLIR cameras can be used for diagnostic purposes, I believe they all still want thermocouples for final measurement. In addition, there are rules about the maximum wire gauge and preferences on using spe

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Suitable Test equipment for Touch temperature Testing in accordance with EN 62368-1

2021-09-22 Thread Philip Stevenson
Thanks Ted for your comprehensive reply. As I said in my earlier replies if the IR measured touch temperatures are near the test limits then thermocouples should be used to provide a more accurate measurement. Regards Philip Sevenson Sent from Mail

Re: [PSES] Suitable Test equipment for Touch temperature Testing in accordance with EN 62368-1

2021-09-22 Thread Philip Stevenson
Thanks Brian C. For your input. It is good to get different perspectives on this type of testing. Regards Philip Stevenson Sent from Mail for Windows From: Brian Ceresney Sent: 22 September 2021 18:10 To: Philip Stev

[PSES] MIL-STD-461H

2021-09-22 Thread Ken Javor
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[PSES] SAE ARP-958E

2021-09-22 Thread Ken Javor
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Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Suitable Test equipment for Touch temperature Testing in accordance with EN 62368-1

2021-09-22 Thread Ted Eckert
Hi Philip, I would like to see progress towards the acceptance of infrared thermography for certification. However, I can see some potential issues. * I haven't seen software for many IR cameras that does good data logging. I work on some products that have cyclical temperature changes. The

Re: [PSES] Suitable Test equipment for Touch temperature Testing in accordance with EN 62368-1

2021-09-22 Thread Brian Ceresney
Hello Regulatory Experts, We do use an IR camera as an initial indicator, to identify the hottest areas for further investigation of the hottest areas using thermocouples. Our products typically have cast metal enclosures, so we coat enclosure areas with a flat painted finish to obtain reasonably

Re: [PSES] Suitable Test equipment for Touch temperature Testing in accordance with EN 62368-1

2021-09-22 Thread Philip Stevenson
Thank Rich for your reply. That is my view as well. I use thermocouples for temperature rise measurements. Regards Philip Stevenson Sent from Mail for Windows From: Richard Nute Sent: 22 September 2021 17:57 To: 'Philip Ste

Re: [PSES] Suitable Test equipment for Touch temperature Testing in accordance with EN 62368-1

2021-09-22 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Phillip: As far as I know, 62368-1 does not specify the method for measuring touch temperatures. Be aware that certification houses usually measure touch (and all other) temperatures with a thermocouple. Stay safe, and best regards, Rich From: Philip Stevenson Sent: Wedn

[PSES] Suitable Test equipment for Touch temperature Testing in accordance with EN 62368-1

2021-09-22 Thread Philip Stevenson
Dear List Members I am looking for advice of whether the use of an Infra Red (IR) Digital Thermometer is suitable for performing Touch temperature Testing in accordance with EN 62368-1. Provided that factors for the different surface materials are applied to the temperature measurements? If yo