Re: [PSES] DMRN for 4 wires (EMC)

2012-06-17 Thread Ken Javor
Mark Nave of EMC Services patented a DMRN based totally on resistors ­ no transformers - trade-named LISN MATE, back in the late 1980s. If memory serves, there was a three phase variant as well as the more common three-port devices that connected to a pair of LISNs and the EMI receiver. Later on h

Re: [PSES] DMRN for 4 wires (EMC)

2012-06-15 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Be careful to model right. In DM mode the parasitic elements in a DM coil are in parallel, in anti-parallel (CM) configuration they are in series. The ratio between induction and stray inductance is not more then 100:1 in most CM coil so 100:2 in DM mode This severely limits the usable freque

Re: [PSES] DMRN for 4 wires (EMC)

2012-06-15 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
Thanks Gert. We were thinking 4-wire LISN (phase A,B,C and Neutral) Your idea of two sets could work; I'd likely simulate on SPICE, then arrange a breadboard if those results looked promising. ___ Ralph McDiarmid |

Re: [PSES] DMRN for 4 wires (EMC)

2012-06-15 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Just use 2 sets of 2 anti parallel CM coils and couple the common via a third to ground (I suppose). I do not know your specific application, but in general DM signals come in paired sets of 2.. The only application I know where DM is over 4 wires, is a phantom signal in phone l

Re: [PSES] DMRN for 4 wires (EMC)

2012-06-14 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
A DMRN (Differential-Mode Reject Network) works well for 2-wires, but has anyone tried for 4 wires? I suppose a common-mode transformer with a bandwidth up to 30MHz would do. Any suggestions from the RF gurus in the group?