Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-16 Thread John Woodgate
In message lectric.com>, dated Sun, 16 Dec 2012, ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com writes: It's really a power thing too. (energy by time) If you hit the MOVs too often with a 6kV pulse, they'll overheat and fail. If say you hit them every 90s instead of every 30s, they'll likely surv

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-16 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
a hundred hits. ___ Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Solar Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: Anthony Thomson To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG, Date: 12/14/2012 04:57 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC I've seen them rupture on th

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-14 Thread Anthony Thomson
Compliance Engineering* From:John Woodgate To:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG, Date:12/10/2012 03:28 AM Subject:Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC - In message <20121210091236.127...@gmx.com>, dated Mon, 10 Dec 2012, Anthony

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-14 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
John Woodgate To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG, Date: 12/10/2012 03:28 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC In message <20121210091236.127...@gmx.com>, dated Mon, 10 Dec 2012, Anthony Thomson writes: > According to sources, a MOV in the base unit can overheat and could &

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-10 Thread John Woodgate
In message <20121210135319.127...@gmx.com>, dated Mon, 10 Dec 2012, Anthony Thomson writes: MOV's can be expected to become warm, hot even, but not to overheat during normal operation. My point is that we know the 'little ways' of MOVs, and thus should be very cautious about them, and ass

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-10 Thread Anthony Thomson
RG Subject: Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC In message <20121210091236.127...@gmx.com>, dated Mon, 10 Dec 2012, Anthony Thomson writes: > According to sources, a MOV in the base unit can overheat and could >lead to a fire. Well, it shouldn't lead to a fire. They can

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-10 Thread John Woodgate
In message <20121210091236.127...@gmx.com>, dated Mon, 10 Dec 2012, Anthony Thomson writes: According to sources, a MOV in the base unit can overheat and could lead to a fire. Well, it shouldn't lead to a fire. They can be expected to overheat. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-10 Thread Anthony Thomson
] interesting recall by CPSC In message <8baad7858b824716a2127b9d88985...@tamuracorp.com>, dated Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Brian Oconnell writes: >Direct hit, Mr Woodgate. That was point of purpose of my OP. > >This is not the typical recall of cheap consumer goods from an Asian >manufact

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-08 Thread Bill Owsley
Doubt that safety required highest setting. So we called the two settings 'safe' and 'explode' for what the parts did when the plug was inserted. It failed safe as required. The customer called it dead on arrival and sent it back. Warranty costs provided a motivation for setting to the higher

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-07 Thread Scott Xe
Why is the product called Dual-Voltage? Obviously it is a auto voltage from 100 to 240 Vac so there is no mis-placed to 110 V when used in 230 V countries. I have learnt some safety standards require the voltage setting to the highest before leaving the factory. It seems to look after such fores

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-07 Thread John Woodgate
In message <8baad7858b824716a2127b9d88985...@tamuracorp.com>, dated Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Brian Oconnell writes: Direct hit, Mr Woodgate. That was point of purpose of my OP. This is not the typical recall of cheap consumer goods from an Asian manufacturer. These people generally know how to desig

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-07 Thread Brian Oconnell
Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 3:40 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC In message <20121207102806.127...@gmx.com>, dated Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Anthony Thomson writes: >Oh, there’s some reasonably high risk circuitry in the

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-07 Thread John Woodgate
In message <20121207102806.127...@gmx.com>, dated Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Anthony Thomson writes: Oh, there’s some reasonably high risk circuitry in these things. Yes, there is a fair bit of power there, but the point is that most electronic components these days don't burn or support the spread of

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-07 Thread Anthony Thomson
, 30/40 volts maybe at an amp or two flying around. Plenty of potential to cause a fire in there if the design or manufacturing’s not quite spot on. T - Original Message - From: John Woodgate Sent: 12/06/12 06:56 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] interesting recall by

Re: [PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-06 Thread John Woodgate
In message <78be28d68eee410e967fc219e3207...@tamuracorp.com>, dated Thu, 6 Dec 2012, Brian Oconnell writes: The CPSC has issued a re-call for this "Dual-Voltage" unit for causing fires at 220V . But the rating label indicates an input rating of '100-240'. Also looks like the unit is Class II

[PSES] interesting recall by CPSC

2012-12-06 Thread Brian Oconnell
The CPSC has issued a re-call for this "Dual-Voltage" unit for causing fires at 220V . But the rating label indicates an input rating of '100-240'. Also looks like the unit is Class II construction, and that each component is individually powered. Label image here