Re: ethernet radiated emissions

2005-06-18 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Ian, A signal that strong suggests one possibility to me. It is possible that the board layout was automatically routed. As a result a clock trace was run through the Ethernet magnetics area. This area should be clear of everything but the Ethernet signals. The application notes for the Et

Re: ethernet radiated emissions

2005-06-17 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Ian, the question you posted is so generic that nobody can really answer it. It does not give any clue regarding the sources and mechanisms of emission, no results of your troubleshooting, nor does it give any insight into the product and possible causes of the increased emission. If you provid

RE: ethernet radiated emissions

2005-06-17 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
-485-2537 fax: 858-485-3788 _ From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 5:30 AM To: McBurney, Ian [Allen & Heath UK]; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: ethernet radiated emissions No experience with Ethernet pe

RE: ethernet radiated emissions

2005-06-17 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
33MHz - sounds like PCI bus. The radiation originating from Ethernet is very broadband per se as the data is scrambled using a pseudo-random code, thus widening the spectrum. This was intended to reduce EMI. There are several things to think of: - The traces between the magnetics and the connector

RE: ethernet radiated emissions

2005-06-17 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Ian, PCB layout is very critical; especially in the I/O area (around the RJ-45 connectors). Make sure that the Ethernet transformer you use has good common-mode filtering built in. You might also try using "Bob Smith termination" on the un-used pins of the I/O connector. If you've never heard of

Re: ethernet radiated emissions

2005-06-17 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
No experience with Ethernet per se, so this is a very general comment. It sounds as if the emissions are common mode. If so, they may not have anything to do with the Ethernet itself, the Ethernet may be a fortuitous conductor. I would check this using a current probe around the cable, with and

Re: Ethernet Radiated Emissions

2002-10-12 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that neve...@attbi.com wrote (in <20021011040337.NIT V4193.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@rwcrwbc69>) about 'Ethernet Radiated Emissions' on Fri, 11 Oct 2002: >Second, I recommend refraining from sarcastic comments >in this forum, since that doesn't seem it was about >naivety. No sar

Re: Ethernet Radiated Emissions

2002-10-11 Thread neven11
> Pardon my naivety, but how does '100 Mbit' relate to frequencies of 30 and 60 kHz? Is this 100 Mbit per week? (;-) > -- > Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk First, a little background on auto negotiation. The IEEE 802.3u 100BaseTX auto negotiatio

Re: Ethernet Radiated Emissions

2002-10-10 Thread Doug McKean
[ Neven wrote ] > You are seing a spectrum of MLT3 signal, which is 100 > Mbit coding. [ John wrote ] > Pardon my naivety, but how does '100 Mbit' relate to frequencies > of 30 and 60 kHz? Is this 100 Mbit per week? (;-) Could be plenty. I'd guess is something to do with either jitter and

Re: Ethernet Radiated Emissions

2002-10-10 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that neve...@attbi.com wrote (in <20021010021029.WVI M20316.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@rwcrwbc56>) about 'Ethernet Radiated Emissions' on Thu, 10 Oct 2002: >You are seing a spectrum of MLT3 signal, which is 100 >Mbit coding. Pardon my naivety, but how does '100 Mbit' relate to freq

Re: Ethernet Radiated Emissions

2002-10-10 Thread neven11
STP on the offsite portion of the cable will be an interesting test. > > Thanks for the input. > > Rick Linford > > > > > -Original Message----- > From: Andy White (EWU) [mailto:andy.wh...@ewu.ericsson.se] > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:39 PM > To: Rick L

Re: Ethernet Radiated Emissions

2002-10-09 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that rlinf...@sonicwall.com wrote (in ) about 'Ethernet Radiated Emissions' on Wed, 9 Oct 2002: > With all cables attached and not linked there is no broadband. Reducing the >resolution shows peaks every 60 kHz. Probing on a linked signal shows peaks >every 30 kHz with ever