Andreas, This sounds pretty much like the ergonomic standards the Germany enforces(?) through the GS mark from their test houses. There is a real problem with these things as they are, or at least, were very subjective rather than qualitative in nature. The present ZH618 (Sorry I'm trying to pull the number out of my memory so I hope this is correct) would exclude a keyboard that actually has had some human factors concerns addressed. Some of the more recent keyboards such as the Microsoft Natural (Hi Anne - I know you're reading this!) and others which provide some ergonomic features such splitting into two key groups, angling them slightly to more easily facilitate and to match the angles of your hands/shoulders, overall keyboard slope, and a palm rest had a real fight on their hands because the standards specified the shape as rectangular. These types of keyboards typically have some "curvy edges" to facilitate the palm rest. So even though, in my opinion at least, it is a much more comfortable keyboard and reduces the stress on the wrists, it doesn't meet the existing standard. One would hope that any new standard is much better specified but I think it is pretty much the equivalent of speech recognition in computers. Computers and standards don't handle variation very well, but people are nothing but variable. My guess as to who would enforce these issues would be Unions, National Heath and Safety organizations etc. The latter has a nasty way of showing up in the relevant safety standards. In fact that is how the ergonomics really got incorporated into the German safety standards. Human factors are important (I drag my keyboard from place to place and even have a backup because of its benefits) but I am skeptical of the ability to really write a good standard. Hope I'm proven wrong. Once again, this is just opinion and personal history but I think it is reflective of what occurred Gary
-----Original Message----- From: andreas.tho...@toshiba-teg.com [SMTP:andreas.tho...@toshiba-teg.com] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 1999 6:37 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: prEN ISO 13407 Dear Group, the standard prEN ISO 13407 is dealing with "human-centred design processes for interactive systems". More: "The document provides guidance on human-centred design activities throughout the life cycle of computer-based interactive systems. It is aimed at those managing design processes and provides guidance on sources of information and standards relevant to the human-centred approach. It is concerned with both hardware and software components of interactive systems. It addresses the planning and management of human-centred design. It does not address all aspects of project management." Now, who can tell something about the actual or possible future importance of this standard ? Is there someone "out there" who is planning to check conformity to this standard ? Kind regards Andreas Thomas Toshiba Europe --------- This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). --------- This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).