Re: Re: Electric Shock and Water

2002-01-04 Thread Doug McKean
If your colleage doesn't understand why you shouldn't mix water and electricity in general, just tell him that water has a tendency to be rather unpredictable and can go anywhere. Someone likened it to a three dimensional resistor and that's an excellent example. Add to it a very deformable

RE: Re: Electric Shock and Water

2002-01-03 Thread jasonxmallory
Rich Do you use Google.com for searches. I did a search on water conductivity yesterday and got a lot of hits with typical values. Many related to biological studies. See, for example http://www.dartmouth.edu/~bio59/conductivity.htm -Jason Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote: Hi John:

Re: Electric Shock and Water

2002-01-03 Thread Rich Nute
Hi John: Is there a value (or range of values) for the resistance of water? The data exists; it depends, of course, on solute nature and concentration. Try a web search. I did a web search before my post. There is lots of data on the use of water resistance and

Re: Electric Shock and Water

2002-01-03 Thread Andrew Carson
No risk of electric shock at these voltages. But in salt water environments, a greatly increased risk of corrosion. Which could in turn lead to a shock or fire hazard. Slightly off topic, but a valid point to be considered. Peter Merguerian wrote: Jason, Please explain to your colleague

Re: Electric Shock and Water

2002-01-03 Thread Andrew Carson
If you work at a site with a large air conditioning plant or a chilled water system, then chances are your facilities manager will have a conductivity cell. They are used as a very quick means to monitor water purity and to check for signs of corrosion. Units are expressed in uS/cm and

RE: Electric Shock and Water

2002-01-03 Thread Peter Merguerian
Jason, Please explain to your colleague that for North American requirements (as depicted in the NEC and CEC) there is no risk of electric shock or fire from circuits in wet locations for up to 21.2 V. For higher voltages you should start taking steps to minimize the risk of water ingress and

Re: Electric Shock and Water

2002-01-03 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote (in 200201030028.qaa08...@epgc264.sdd.hp.com) about 'Electric Shock and Water', on Wed, 2 Jan 2002: Is there a value (or range of values) for the resistance of water? The data exists; it depends, of course, on solute nature and

Re: Electric Shock and Water

2002-01-03 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that jasonxmall...@netscape.net wrote (in 738426ed.4080ead3.73ea6...@netscape.net) about 'Electric Shock and Water', on Wed, 2 Jan 2002: INCREASED LEAKAGE CURRENTS Water is generally conductive. If you are working on a chassis and accidentally touch an energized contact,

RE: Electric Shock and Water

2002-01-03 Thread John Shinn
Water, as is generally conductive, forms a better surface contact ( to you), reducing the surface resistivity (yours), thus allowing a greater flow of lethal current through the body (yours) from an energised electrical device. And when coupled with any, or all of the previous faults, you may

Re: Electric Shock and Water

2002-01-03 Thread Rich Nute
Hi Jason: Water comprises a 3-dimensional resistor. The value of the resistor depends on: * the purity of the water itself (the resistance is inversely proportional to the purity); * the dimensions of the electrodes (i.e., the conductors in contact with the