Re: [Emc-users] Sieg KX3

2011-02-24 Thread Erik Christiansen
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 01:23:53PM -0500, Colin K wrote: > $5k sounds like a good guess. At that point I'd start looking at a KX3 > instead, and get a machine with the hard work done. But will they sell one without PC & software? I haven't checked Ray Henry's reply to Kirk, about Smithy, either

Re: [Emc-users] Grizzly GO704

2011-02-24 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, February 24, 2011 08:54:47 pm Colin K did opine: > The KX-1 and KX-3 are Sieg's benchtop purpose-built CNC machines. > Despite the names I don't think they share much iron with the X1 or X3, > just roughly similar dimensions. They're carried by a variety of > sellers but LittleMachine

Re: [Emc-users] Outboard step generators rant (was Re: Guidance on usb comp)

2011-02-24 Thread Chris Radek
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 04:30:34PM -0500, Colin K wrote: > > Good thing we can still buy brand new, cheap motherboards with an even > better real-time port on them :) Everyone says the parallel port is legacy > and could disappear any day, but when they still put them on dirt-cheap > boards like t

Re: [Emc-users] Grizzly GO704

2011-02-24 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:43:37 -0500, you wrote: >The KX-1 and KX-3 are Sieg's benchtop purpose-built CNC machines. Despite >the names I don't think they share much iron with the X1 or X3, just roughly >similar dimensions. They're carried by a variety of sellers but >LittleMachineShop.com in the US

[Emc-users] Outboard step generators rant (was Re: Guidance on usb comp)

2011-02-24 Thread Colin K
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > Windows is not built to support real time. Although rather ironically the > original kernel was. It is pretty difficult to timeshare a machine between > real time tasks and supporting a GUI with real-time response. One or the > othe

Re: [Emc-users] Guidance on usb comp

2011-02-24 Thread Jean-Paul Moniz
Kirk, Also depending on possible risk hardware/ software implementations are required to be control reliable. Technically emc or mach or other controllers would fail that requirement unless certified by a testing lab like tuv --Original Message-- From: Kirk Wallace To: Work To: Emc ma

Re: [Emc-users] Guidance on usb comp

2011-02-24 Thread Jean-Paul Moniz
Seb, I plan on working on this tonight. After reviewing this all day today. I do not see this a huge bridge to cross. Most of your shuttle comp can be used to test and add some provisions to write hard coded command packets. Basically block read the inputs and then assign to comp pins. That's

Re: [Emc-users] Guidance on usb comp

2011-02-24 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 17:29 +, Jean-Paul Moniz wrote: > Phil > > Safety should always be a hardware solution. Safety software > applications should be tested and certified to international > standards. > > Signals back to a controller are just a formality imho > > In the case of emc. The pc

Re: [Emc-users] Grizzly GO704

2011-02-24 Thread Colin K
The KX-1 and KX-3 are Sieg's benchtop purpose-built CNC machines. Despite the names I don't think they share much iron with the X1 or X3, just roughly similar dimensions. They're carried by a variety of sellers but LittleMachineShop.com in the US is the first that comes to mind. I've built 5 small

Re: [Emc-users] Guidance on usb comp

2011-02-24 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 02/24/2011 12:53 PM, Frank Tkalcevic wrote: >>> The pokeys makers approached me to add support for it to hidcomp, but >>> given how little spare time I have, it was too much work. >>> >> What would be involved in getting it to work? >> >> When I tested it I only tested the analog inputs then los

Re: [Emc-users] Guidance on usb comp

2011-02-24 Thread Frank Tkalcevic
> > The pokeys makers approached me to add support for it to hidcomp, but > > given how little spare time I have, it was too much work. > > > What would be involved in getting it to work? > > When I tested it I only tested the analog inputs then lost track of it for a > while. In their "joystick

Re: [Emc-users] Guidance on usb comp

2011-02-24 Thread Frank Tkalcevic
> Could I just use hidraw to write and read packets from the pokeys? > > My thought is that I could write a hal comp to write a command packet to the > pokeys. The pokeys would process the packet and send the resulting > response back. From there i/o data can be mapped to hal pins and all should >

Re: [Emc-users] Grizzly GO704

2011-02-24 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, February 24, 2011 02:07:22 pm Colin K did opine: > $5k sounds like a good guess. At that point I'd start looking at a KX3 > instead, and get a machine with the hard work done. Link? > > I upgraded from an X1 micro mill to an X2. It was the biggest thing I > could squeeze in and sig

Re: [Emc-users] Guidance on usb comp

2011-02-24 Thread Jean-Paul Moniz
Phil There is other hardware options that do not require a parallel port. Mesa pci cards are a good example of that. When running emc you are running a real time controller. You just also decide to use it as a pc as well. If siemens let you surf the net and run apps on a 840D what would the

Re: [Emc-users] Guidance on usb comp

2011-02-24 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Jean-Paul Moniz wrote: > Phil > > Safety should always be a hardware solution. Safety software applications > should be tested and certified to international standards. > I much prefer hardwired safety and no software :-) > In the case of emc. The pc is the c

Re: [Emc-users] Grizzly GO704

2011-02-24 Thread Colin K
$5k sounds like a good guess. At that point I'd start looking at a KX3 instead, and get a machine with the hard work done. I upgraded from an X1 micro mill to an X2. It was the biggest thing I could squeeze in and significantly smaller than the G0704. It was a meaningful upgrade for me and too

Re: [Emc-users] Guidance on usb comp

2011-02-24 Thread Jean-Paul Moniz
Phil Safety should always be a hardware solution. Safety software applications should be tested and certified to international standards. Signals back to a controller are just a formality imho In the case of emc. The pc is the controller and not hacked up at all. However if it was a windows os

Re: [Emc-users] Guidance on usb comp

2011-02-24 Thread Jean-Paul Moniz
Frank, Could I just use hidraw to write and read packets from the pokeys? My thought is that I could write a hal comp to write a command packet to the pokeys. The pokeys would process the packet and send the resulting response back. From there i/o data can be mapped to hal pins and all should

Re: [Emc-users] Grizzly GO704

2011-02-24 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, February 24, 2011 07:27:41 am Mark Wendt did opine: > On 02/24/2011 06:45 AM, gene heskett wrote: > > On Thursday, February 24, 2011 06:33:57 am Mark Wendt did opine: > >> Gene, > >> > >> Grizzly is selling it on their web site "with" delivery for $1089. > >> > >> http://www.grizzly

Re: [Emc-users] Guidance on usb comp

2011-02-24 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:44 AM, John Thornton wrote: > Frank Tkalcevic wrote: > >> The PoKeys55 docs claim that the device implements a standard USB HID > >> keyboard and joystick. Based on that, I'd expect it to just work with > >> hal_input. Is that not the case? > >> > > You are correct. I

Re: [Emc-users] Pulling Mazak V5 spindle

2011-02-24 Thread dave
Thanks for the reply. I have the machine open so can take a few pics. May take a few days but I'll get them to you. Dave On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 18:50 -0500, Jim Fleig wrote: > If you send some pictures to j...@cncservices.ws I'll take a look and > contribute my 2 cents FWIW. I've pulled quite

Re: [Emc-users] Grizzly GO704

2011-02-24 Thread Mark Wendt
On 02/24/2011 06:45 AM, gene heskett wrote: > On Thursday, February 24, 2011 06:33:57 am Mark Wendt did opine: > >> >> Gene, >> >> Grizzly is selling it on their web site "with" delivery for $1089. >> >> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Drill-Mill-with-Stand/G0704 >> >> Mark > > I know that Mark.

Re: [Emc-users] Grizzly GO704

2011-02-24 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, February 24, 2011 06:33:57 am Mark Wendt did opine: > On 02/23/2011 10:26 PM, gene heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > Does anyone here have a Grizzly GO704? I feel the need of a bigger > > working envelope than my micromill with its expanded table kit gives > > me. That woul

Re: [Emc-users] Guidance on usb comp

2011-02-24 Thread John Thornton
Frank Tkalcevic wrote: >> The PoKeys55 docs claim that the device implements a standard USB HID >> keyboard and joystick. Based on that, I'd expect it to just work with >> hal_input. Is that not the case? >> > You are correct. It doesn't use the HID Descriptor reports, so generic > softwar

Re: [Emc-users] Grizzly GO704

2011-02-24 Thread Mark Wendt
On 02/23/2011 10:26 PM, gene heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > Does anyone here have a Grizzly GO704? I feel the need of a bigger working > envelope than my micromill with its expanded table kit gives me. That > would expand my Y motion a good 2", the X at least 8" more, rather welcome > when c