There are blueprints for a vast amount of electric cars in the drawers
of all major car producers. As Gene H. would put it: "Been there, driven
it!" About 20 years ago I had the privilege to drive a small car from a
GM daughter brand (Opel Corsa), driven by four 30 kW flat-built
synchronous mot
I can very well remember when I was a little boy in the early 1950ies,
when the German Postal service used big electrically driven trucks to
deliver packages. They had large open chain gears driving the rear
wheels, visible from the back side, and were moving very slowly but
completely soundles
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Chris Morley wrote:
> >
>
> Yes you know I never hear much about this fundamental problem.
> It seems to me that EVs do not scale well.
> All great when you only have a few hundred thousand.
> but change all the vehicles to electric and one will need to burn a lot
>
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Gary Corlew wrote:
> Just where does everyone think this electricity is coming from? Is everyone
> supposed to turn a blind eye to where the electricity comes from?
>
'Zackly. In the all-electric car fantasy world, it's always available and
never pollutes.
Mark
--- On Wed, 5/1/13, Mark Wendt wrote:
> One thing folks not of the USA do not realize, especially so
> in Europe
> where the population is much, much denser than in the USA
> (Australia has
> much the same lay of the land, of wide open spaces with
> little population).
Most of the "coasties" on
On Wed, 1 May 2013 23:02:10 +0100, you wrote:
>On 1 May 2013 22:54, Steve Blackmore wrote:
>
>> Some years ago I worked for a large multinational company, who I can't
>> name for legal reasons. One of the many things they were working on were
>> more efficient fossil fuel engines. They had a 2lit
> From: gcor...@carolina.rr.com
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Date: Wed, 1 May 2013 19:01:23 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting Monarch 10EE
>
> Just where does everyone think this electricity is coming from? Is everyone
> supposed to turn a blind eye to
On 2 May 2013 00:01, Gary Corlew wrote:
> Just where does everyone think this electricity is coming from?
Fission. It works, it's clean, the waste stays where you put it.
If and when Fusion comes on line we will have enough properly free
energy to either throw the Fission waste into the sun, or
)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting Monarch 10EE
Mark,
Honestly man you are wrong on so many levels as I said before I am not
gonna wast this thread trying to convince you of it. Do some open minded
research on this and better yet go take a ride in one of these cars and
then see for yourself. It
On 1 May 2013 22:54, Steve Blackmore wrote:
> Some years ago I worked for a large multinational company, who I can't
> name for legal reasons. One of the many things they were working on were
> more efficient fossil fuel engines. They had a 2litre Diesel engine that
> was capable of 200 mpg plus
On Wed, 1 May 2013 07:50:47 -0400, you wrote:
>Captains of the industry are not betting big dollars on the electric cars.
>The government is, and we all know how well they do venture capitalism.
Of course they are not, they are happier ripping people off with high
fuel costs rather than updating
>> I am not gonna further clutter this thread with an
>> argument about
>> EV's. back to the Monarch EE discussion...peace
>
>Please let that be true, this list is active enough
>without off topic arguments.
Or at least change the Subject: line
(Try it, it's easy)
-
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Pete Matos wrote:
> Like I said man...do some research, I am not gonna do it for you. I am done
> here.
>
> Pete
>
Yup. Just like I figured. I have done the research on the questions I
asked you. I wanted to know if you knew the facts.
Mark
--
Like I said man...do some research, I am not gonna do it for you. I am done
here.
Pete
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Pete Matos wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> > Honestly man you are wrong on so many levels as I said before I am
> not
> > gonna
> -Original Message-
> From: Pete Matos [mailto:petefro...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:43 AM
>
> I am not gonna further clutter this thread with an
> argument about
> EV's. back to the Monarch EE discussion...peace
Please let that be true, this list is active enough
wit
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Pete Matos wrote:
> Mark,
> Honestly man you are wrong on so many levels as I said before I am not
> gonna wast this thread trying to convince you of it. Do some open minded
> research on this and better yet go take a ride in one of these cars and
> then see fo
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Dave wrote:
> I think in the future you will have your choice.
>
> My wife could live with an electric car most of the time. I could not
> as my travel is totally unpredictable.
> So I could see us having one electric and one gas, diesel, or propane
> powered car
Mark,
Honestly man you are wrong on so many levels as I said before I am not
gonna wast this thread trying to convince you of it. Do some open minded
research on this and better yet go take a ride in one of these cars and
then see for yourself. It is a real viable technology that is only getti
I think in the future you will have your choice.
My wife could live with an electric car most of the time. I could not
as my travel is totally unpredictable.
So I could see us having one electric and one gas, diesel, or propane
powered car/truck in the future.
I drove from Washington DC back
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Pete Matos wrote:
> Very small cars not comfortable for trips? Have you seen the Tesla Model
> S There is a fellow local to me who just bought one and I saw and sat
> in this car up close and personal. It is a GORGEOUS car and very roomy and
> comfortable. T
Very small cars not comfortable for trips? Have you seen the Tesla Model
S There is a fellow local to me who just bought one and I saw and sat
in this car up close and personal. It is a GORGEOUS car and very roomy and
comfortable. The folks who have bought them have been trying to post the
g
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:26 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 1 May 2013 13:16, Mark Wendt wrote:
>
> >> We are back in the situation around 1900, where you had to plan your
> >> journey around the opening times of pharmacies that sold "Motor
> >> Spirit"
>
> > All well and good, but notice the dearth o
On 1 May 2013 13:16, Mark Wendt wrote:
>> We are back in the situation around 1900, where you had to plan your
>> journey around the opening times of pharmacies that sold "Motor
>> Spirit"
> All well and good, but notice the dearth of charging stations in the middle
> of the country.
The point
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Pete Matos wrote:
> Well apparently you have your mind made up on thisall I can say is do
> some open minded research and the answers are all out there. Charging
> times have dropped dramatically and there are remote charging stations.
> Maybe not in your area
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:06 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 1 May 2013 12:50, Mark Wendt wrote:
>
> > Take a look at the map at carstations.com. Most all the stations are
> > located around urban areas. Now look at said wilderness of Montana, and
> > other areas in the US that are outside of urban a
On 1 May 2013 12:50, Mark Wendt wrote:
> Take a look at the map at carstations.com. Most all the stations are
> located around urban areas. Now look at said wilderness of Montana, and
> other areas in the US that are outside of urban areas.
We are back in the situation around 1900, where you h
Well apparently you have your mind made up on thisall I can say is do
some open minded research and the answers are all out there. Charging
times have dropped dramatically and there are remote charging stations.
Maybe not in your area but lots of different places. Many many companies
and manu
On 1 May 2013 12:32, Pete Matos wrote:
> For all
> the doubters, just wait it is coming. The electric vehicle revolution is
> coming and some would say it is already here.
It already makes sense for fixed journeys, such as parcel delivery trucks.
--
atp
If you can't fix it, you don't own it.
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Pete Matos wrote:
> Wrongguess again. There are already much more than a few charging
> stations built and many more on the way. Nevermind the cars are now
> getting around 250 miles to the charge some even more than that. For all
> the doubters, just wait
Wrongguess again. There are already much more than a few charging
stations built and many more on the way. Nevermind the cars are now
getting around 250 miles to the charge some even more than that. For all
the doubters, just wait it is coming. The electric vehicle revolution is
coming and
On 29 April 2013 21:18, Cecil Thomas wrote:
> Thanks for all the inputs. I did quite a bit of research concerning
> the effectiveness vs the amount of work vs the expense of getting the
> machine on line and making chips.
> 1. Tossing the entire drive train and replacing with a 10 hp 3ph
> motor
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Pete Matos wrote:
> John
> That is amazing to me mani mean I have seen some monster electric
> motors before but 3k HP is nutz .. I know the motors they used on the
> draw bridges in South Florida where I used to live were big DC I believe
> and the
Gregg Eshelman wrote:
> --- On Tue, 4/30/13, John Kasunich wrote:
>
>
>> From: John Kasunich
>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting Monarch 10EE
>> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:56 PM
>>
>>
>> On Tue
--- On Tue, 4/30/13, John Kasunich wrote:
> From: John Kasunich
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting Monarch 10EE
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2013, 12:56 PM
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013, at 02:14 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote:
> >
We have a scrapyard nearby that has a lot of very large motors, but I think
they might be from trains and there is an obvious size limit on those. The
ones you describe seem bigger.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Dave wrote:
> There are more large motors like that around than you might suspe
On 30 April 2013 21:50, Kent A. Reed wrote:
> Every few years one research group or another issues a breathless
> press release about its laboratory "breakthrough" which will
> revolutionize battery technology (searching the Internet on "electric
> battery breakthrough" is instructive). There hav
There are more large motors like that around than you might suspect.
The local Omnisource scrap yard had a 6000 hp motor blow and they
replaced it with a bigger motor. I think 8000 hp.
They shred cars and whatever else they can fit into it.
I went to an aluminum recycling place once that needed
On 4/30/2013 3:20 PM, Pete Matos wrote:
> I also find it
> interesting that there is so much resistance to electric vehicles in the
> world when so many of the largest and most powerful vehicles are moved with
> electric power.
In a word, batteries. Back in the 1970s the weak link in the natio
On 4/30/2013 2:08 PM, John Kasunich wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013, at 01:37 PM, Dave wrote:
>
>> You will have $3-400 into a 10 hp phase converter in no time. (I have
>> put a few together). If you need three phase for other things.. go the
>> phase converter route and see how that works.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Pete Matos wrote:
> John
> That is amazing to me mani mean I have seen some monster electric
> motors before but 3k HP is nutz ..
There's an industrial shredder in New Jersey rated at 10,000 hp. They
have to turn it on and off at night on weekends bec
John
That is amazing to me mani mean I have seen some monster electric
motors before but 3k HP is nutz .. I know the motors they used on the
draw bridges in South Florida where I used to live were big DC I believe
and they lifted some amazing loads via counterbalance and gearing.
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013, at 02:14 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote:
> SCR dc drives? Is this the 70's?
>
> LOL. Im kidding. But only partially:)
>
> SMD
For anything more than a few HP, SCRs still rule the DC drive world.
I guess the toy stuff, under 1HP, is all PWM based these days.
Small but not t
SCR dc drives? Is this the 70's?
LOL. Im kidding. But only partially:)
SMD
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM, John Kasunich wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013, at 01:37 PM, Dave wrote:
> > You will have $3-400 into a 10 hp phase converter in no time. (I have
> > put a few together). If you n
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013, at 01:37 PM, Dave wrote:
> You will have $3-400 into a 10 hp phase converter in no time. (I have
> put a few together). If you need three phase for other things.. go the
> phase converter route and see how that works.
>
> If you are going to run the lathe a lot, I woul
You will have $3-400 into a 10 hp phase converter in no time. (I have
put a few together). If you need three phase for other things.. go the
phase converter route and see how that works.
If you are going to run the lathe a lot, I would look for a relatively
new Industrial DC drive that is co
On Tuesday 30 April 2013 12:03:09 jeremy youngs did opine:
> gene here is a bit more variety
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR10.TRC2&_nk
> w=treadmill+motor&_sacat=0&_from=R40
>
Thanks Jeremy, I just now bid on a 1 horse full kit. Play toys maybe, but
a learning t
On Tuesday 30 April 2013 11:33:32 jeremy youngs did opine:
> one of them had a flatted 5/8 shaft, the other it was pressed on.
> if you remove the flywheel you have to put a fan on it , if you will run
> it slow a fan is probably a good idea , i just used an old pc fan.
> there are several motors
gene here is a bit more variety
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR10.TRC2&_nkw=treadmill+motor&_sacat=0&_from=R40
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:55 AM, jeremy youngs wrote:
> one of them had a flatted 5/8 shaft, the other it was pressed on.
> if you remove the flywheel you
one of them had a flatted 5/8 shaft, the other it was pressed on.
if you remove the flywheel you have to put a fan on it , if you will run it
slow a fan is probably a good idea , i just used an old pc fan.
there are several motors for around 40 bucks, as to the reverse feature i
haver thoughyt of b
On Tuesday 30 April 2013 04:10:18 jeremy youngs did opine:
> gene did say
> The day of picking up a
> defunct treadmill, or a surplus motor from one, seem to now be in the
> distant past, with one that I saw on fleabay, clearly well abused, 6
> months ago that still had 3 days to go and was above
gene did say
The day of picking up a
defunct treadmill, or a surplus motor from one, seem to now be in the
distant past, with one that I saw on fleabay, clearly well abused, 6 months
ago that still had 3 days to go and was above 200USD then
my results from flea bay are different and 2 of my 3 mach
ced Machine Controller (EMC)
> >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting Monarch 10EE
> >>
> >> andy pugh wrote:
> >>
> >>> It has to make more sense to couple a 3-phase motor and
> >>> single-phase-input VFD directly to the spindle?
> >
Steve Stallings wrote:
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com]
>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:00 PM
>> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting Monarch 10EE
>>
&
On Monday 29 April 2013 20:12:27 Gregg Eshelman did opine:
> --- On Mon, 4/29/13, andy pugh wrote:
> > The Ward-Leonard arrangement is fairly elaborate in itself,
> > but running it from a rotary phase converter is just excessive.
>
> I'd take off the vintage Rube Goldberg (or Heath Robinson for
--- On Mon, 4/29/13, Cecil Thomas wrote:
> 5. Replace the 3 ph motor with a 5 hp single phase motor..
> Probably the neatest solution but the motor and generator
> are a single unit so the single phase motor would have to actually
> spin both the motor and generator IF... there was room enou
--- On Mon, 4/29/13, Steve Stallings wrote:
> Sorry for the run-on URL, but I could not find a shorter
> one.
>
> Steve Stallings
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f10/19126d1263689447-backgear-monarch-10-ee-3-hp-motor-back-gear.jpg
--
--- On Mon, 4/29/13, andy pugh wrote:
> The Ward-Leonard arrangement is fairly elaborate in itself,
> but running it from a rotary phase converter is just excessive.
I'd take off the vintage Rube Goldberg (or Heath Robinson for thos on the other
side of the globe) original setup and replace it
On Monday 29 April 2013 15:50:03 Jon Elson did opine:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > It sounds as if its a 3 phase AC motor turning a DC generator which in
> > turn powers a DC motor that actually drives the spindle?
>
> Essentially right.
>
> > For those DC controls, I'd think it would be a lot more
On 29 April 2013 20:18, Cecil Thomas wrote:
> 300 VDC from 220 VAC is a challenge.
Actually, 300VDC is pretty much exactly what you get by rectifying 220V AC.
--
atp
If you can't fix it, you don't own it.
http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto
FWIW, Solution to #1 is typ easy. Large VFDs typ bring out the DC bus for
more filtering caps if needed. Add additional external caps (need appox
double whats internal) and add a large external rectifier to the caps.
Basically, feed the VFD dc. You'll need to disable phase loss detection
just li
Thanks for all the inputs. I did quite a bit of research concerning
the effectiveness vs the amount of work vs the expense of getting the
machine on line and making chips.
1. Tossing the entire drive train and replacing with a 10 hp 3ph
motor and vfd to run from 220 single phase.. can't be
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013, at 02:20 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote:
> Also, inverter drive induction motors can do 3:1+ constant hp range.
Sure, you can get 3:1 constant power range from an AC motor, but only
if you are using a motor that was designed and specified for that application.
Typically has a
AC machine.
Stephen
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Steve Stallings wrote:
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com]
> > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:00 PM
> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> > Subject
> -Original Message-
> From: Jon Elson [mailto:el...@pico-systems.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:00 PM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] converting Monarch 10EE
>
> andy pugh wrote:
> >
> > It has to make more se
andy pugh wrote:
>
> It has to make more sense to couple a 3-phase motor and
> single-phase-input VFD directly to the spindle?
>
The motor is an odd frame, and also has MASSIVE torque at low
speed. So, the 10EE has no back gear. It probably works MUCH
better at low speed than a VFD and typical
Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> It sounds as if its a 3 phase AC motor turning a DC generator which in turn
> powers a DC motor that actually drives the spindle?
>
Essentially right.
> For those DC controls, I'd think it would be a lot more power efficient to
> toss the rheostats in favor of pwm contr
On 29 April 2013 16:04, sam sokolik wrote:
> I
> think though it would be pretty easy to use 2 dc drives - one for the
> rotor and one for the field. (seems easy enough to control it from hal..)
And the Mesa 7i29 has two channels...
--
atp
If you can't fix it, you don't own it.
http://www.if
We used a dc drive to run the rotor - then used the (IIRC) existing
large adjustable resistor to drop the field as you increased the speed..
(from simple rectified dc).This is still a manual lathe. I
think though it would be pretty easy to use 2 dc drives - one for the
rotor and one fo
On 29 April 2013 15:16, John Kasunich wrote:
> Discarding the DC motor will almost certainly mean
> a significant performance penalty. Keeping the DC
> motor and driving it with either a DC drive, or the
> existing motor-generator set, will keep the performance.
Good point, I didn't think of th
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013, at 06:00 AM, andy pugh wrote:
> On 29 April 2013 06:33, Cecil Thomas wrote:
>
>
> > My only
> > real concern is going to be integrating spindle speed control because
> > the existing control utilizes two huge rheostats to control the drive
> > motor field and the generat
On 29 April 2013 06:33, Cecil Thomas wrote:
> My only
> real concern is going to be integrating spindle speed control because
> the existing control utilizes two huge rheostats to control the drive
> motor field and the generator field. I might just lash up a servo or
> stepper with a belt to
On Monday 29 April 2013 01:59:23 Cecil Thomas did opine:
> I recently was given a 1953 Monarch 10EE "basic Model" lathe. It is
> the Ward Leonard motor generator type so no electronics to deal with.
> The basic model has no lead screw and no gearing for screw cutting.
> There is also no taper atta
I recently was given a 1953 Monarch 10EE "basic Model" lathe. It is
the Ward Leonard motor generator type so no electronics to deal with.
The basic model has no lead screw and no gearing for screw cutting.
There is also no taper attachment. It does have carriage and cross
slide power feeds.
I
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