Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-16 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 16 May 2015 06:49:39 Gregg Eshelman wrote: > Have a look at this motor speed control being developed to accurately > sense RPM without an encoder. > > http://hackaday.com/2015/05/15/hackaday-prize-entry-dc-motor-controlle >r/ Unforch, the "never miss a hack" link is handled by mailchim

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-16 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 16 May 2015 06:49:39 Gregg Eshelman wrote: > Have a look at this motor speed control being developed to accurately > sense RPM without an encoder. > > http://hackaday.com/2015/05/15/hackaday-prize-entry-dc-motor-controlle >r/ This one bears watching. Accurately enough to rigid tappin

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-16 Thread Gregg Eshelman
Have a look at this motor speed control being developed to accurately sense RPM without an encoder. http://hackaday.com/2015/05/15/hackaday-prize-entry-dc-motor-controller/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ---

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-16 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 15.05.15 09:04, Kirk Wallace wrote: > I have a soft spot for these SCR speed controllers: > http://www.kbelectronics.com/manuals/kbic_manual.pdf > > They can run DC motors or AC universal motors, plus have a separate > field source if needed (see page 8). > > They use back EMF for speed feedb

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/15/2015 10:41 AM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: > Hmm. Don't think so. Series motors run crazy RPM when load is removed due > to field weakening and will always vary RPM based on load. A typ handheld > corded drill has a pretty set top speed and doesn't bog until you really > start to lean on it

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Kirk Wallace
For universal motor reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_motor -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/ -- One dashboard for servers and applications acr

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Frank P Bufton
5/2015 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control Hmm. Don't think so. Series motors run crazy RPM when load is removed due to field weakening and will always vary RPM based on load. A typ handheld corded drill has a pretty set top speed and doesn't bog until you r

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Kirk Wallace
On 05/15/2015 08:29 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 05/15/2015 08:44 AM, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: >> As I understand an AC brushed motor(drill, router, saw) can be controlled >> by varying the voltage with something like a light dimmer but with great >> loss of torque >> Can a motor like this be control

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
Hmm. Don't think so. Series motors run crazy RPM when load is removed due to field weakening and will always vary RPM based on load. A typ handheld corded drill has a pretty set top speed and doesn't bog until you really start to lean on it. That would indicate to me parallel wound. On Fri, Ma

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/15/2015 09:34 AM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: > A brushed AC motor in a drill/router/saw is almost assuredly a 'universal' > motor. Its a DC parallel field wound motor. I really think you mean SERIES, here. Jon -- One

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/15/2015 08:44 AM, kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: > As I understand an AC brushed motor(drill, router, saw) can be controlled > by varying the voltage with something like a light dimmer but with great > loss of torque > Can a motor like this be controlled with pwm > > Yes, but you still lose torque

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
A brushed AC motor in a drill/router/saw is almost assuredly a 'universal' motor. Its a DC parallel field wound motor. Thus both the rotor and stator are connected to the same terminals. When the AC polarity reverses BOTH magnetic fields reverse and the motor still turns the same direction (both

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 May 2015 at 15:14, wrote: > > So in your opinion is something like > http://www.amazon.com/E-Age-50-220V-2000W-Motor-Controller/dp/B00GMBYFRK > worth even giving a try It rather depends on what you want to do. Those devices are motor power controllers and only indirectly control the speed.

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread kqt4at5v
On Fri, 15 May 2015, andy pugh wrote: > On 15 May 2015 at 14:44, wrote: >> Can a motor like this be controlled with pwm > > Yes, that is what the light-dimmers do. > > Brushed-AC (universal) motors will also work on DC, but typically they > require much less voltage in DC operation. > > (PWM-mod

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 15 May 2015 09:44:57 kqt4a...@gmail.com wrote: > As I understand an AC brushed motor(drill, router, saw) can be > controlled by varying the voltage with something like a light dimmer > but with great loss of torque > Can a motor like this be controlled with pwm > The AC motor doesn't lend

Re: [Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread andy pugh
On 15 May 2015 at 14:44, wrote: > Can a motor like this be controlled with pwm Yes, that is what the light-dimmers do. Brushed-AC (universal) motors will also work on DC, but typically they require much less voltage in DC operation. (PWM-modulation of AC current isn't all that simple) -- atp

[Emc-users] ot: motor speed control

2015-05-15 Thread kqt4at5v
As I understand an AC brushed motor(drill, router, saw) can be controlled by varying the voltage with something like a light dimmer but with great loss of torque Can a motor like this be controlled with pwm -- One dashbo