[Emu] I-D Action: draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-12.txt

2020-11-02 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the EAP Method Update WG of the IETF. Title : Using EAP-TLS with TLS 1.3 Authors : John Preuß Mattsson Mohit Sethi

Re: [Emu] Making Security Practical ... was RE: Moving towards less security in 2020 - OCSP

2020-11-02 Thread Michael Richardson
Eliot Lear wrote: > Consider the scenario when you have the CA sitting off somewhere in the > distance, and a power failure or other service interruption has > occurred. Should the client refuse to come up because stapling didn’t > happen? Should old stapling information be

Re: [Emu] draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-11: Updates RFC 5216

2020-11-02 Thread Alan DeKok
On Nov 2, 2020, at 4:37 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > IMHO the entire text in Section 5.7 reads a bit like you are giving > implementation guidance. That would be great if John or you had written such > code. I don’t know whether you have. > You are given the reader the impression that there

Re: [Emu] Proposed TEAP Errata Resolution Summary

2020-11-02 Thread Eliot Lear
Joe, Thanks for all your work on this. On the “discuss”es, would you mind giving some time for them at the meeting? Thanks, Eliot > On 1 Nov 2020, at 23:33, Joseph Salowey wrote: > > Below is the summary of the TEAP errata resolutions. The text that will be > sent to the AD is in the

[Emu] Robert Wilton's No Objection on draft-ietf-emu-eaptlscert-06: (with COMMENT)

2020-11-02 Thread Robert Wilton via Datatracker
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Re: [Emu] draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-11: Updates RFC 5216

2020-11-02 Thread Mohit Sethi M
Hi Hannes, Thanks. I like the friendly banter. I could probably find the commit which says "SHOULD mitigate known attacks" and blame it on John. I will change it to MUST. :) I have opened an issue to explain the relationship to RFC 7525:

Re: [Emu] Making Security Practical ... was RE: Moving towards less security in 2020 - OCSP

2020-11-02 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
FWIW there is a public Mbed TLS virtual workshop tomorrow (see https://www.trustedfirmware.org/meetings/mbed-tls-workshop/). Those who care about any of these security features could join, and ask for the support of x, y and z. Ciao Hannes From: Mohit Sethi M Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020

Re: [Emu] Making Security Practical ... was RE: Moving towards less security in 2020 - OCSP

2020-11-02 Thread Mohit Sethi M
Hi Hannes, On 11/2/20 11:42 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: Hi Mohit, > Et voilà, we seem to be moving towards a consensus! That’s indeed exciting. > PS: I would certainly like to help with getting OCSP in mbed TLS. I guess its > high time. Looking forward to it. I would then add the other

Re: [Emu] draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-11: Conformance with the TLS 13 Spec

2020-11-02 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Thanks, Mohit, for the quick turn-over. From: Mohit Sethi M Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 12:21 PM To: Hannes Tschofenig ; Mohit Sethi M ; emu@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Emu] draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-11: Conformance with the TLS 13 Spec Done as suggested:

Re: [Emu] Making Security Practical ... was RE: Moving towards less security in 2020 - OCSP

2020-11-02 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
I agree with you, Eliot. I don’t understand for what certificates we would be using OCSP in the EAP-TLS context, and what would happen if OCSP checks fail. Ciao Hannes From: Eliot Lear Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 12:27 PM To: Hannes Tschofenig Cc: Mohit Sethi M ; emu@ietf.org Subject: Re:

Re: [Emu] Making Security Practical ... was RE: Moving towards less security in 2020 - OCSP

2020-11-02 Thread Eliot Lear
Hi Hannes, My concern is not about implementation. At least for the sake of discussion, let us assume that we can get the code to where it needs to be. The question is more about what happens when an OCSP server is unavailable, either to the client or to the server (stapled or otherwise).

Re: [Emu] draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-11: Conformance with the TLS 13 Spec

2020-11-02 Thread Mohit Sethi M
Done as suggested: https://github.com/emu-wg/draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13/commit/8e158b5dc06ab5efd06c130ceffefe8c0cdff8e0 --Mohit On 11/2/20 11:16 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: Thanks, Mohit. You could also delete the entire paragraph because it adds nothing to what is already said in the TLS 1.3

Re: [Emu] Making Security Practical ... was RE: Moving towards less security in 2020 - OCSP

2020-11-02 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Hi Mohit, > Et voilà, we seem to be moving towards a consensus! That’s indeed exciting. > PS: I would certainly like to help with getting OCSP in mbed TLS. I guess its > high time. Looking forward to it. I would then add the other pieces to TLS 1.3 to make it complete. > There have

Re: [Emu] draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-11: Updates RFC 5216

2020-11-02 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Hi Mohit, I have now read the email from Terry and he is not suggesting the original text. He is, in fact, correcting misleading text in your draft. IMHO the entire text in Section 5.7 reads a bit like you are giving implementation guidance. That would be great if John or you had written such

Re: [Emu] draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-11: Conformance with the TLS 13 Spec

2020-11-02 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Thanks, Mohit. You could also delete the entire paragraph because it adds nothing to what is already said in the TLS 1.3 spec. See https://github.com/hannestschofenig/draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13/pull/1 Ciao Hannes From: Mohit Sethi M Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 9:58 AM To: Hannes Tschofenig

Re: [Emu] draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-11: Updates RFC 5216

2020-11-02 Thread Mohit Sethi M
Hi Hannes, As said, we added this text based on the request of working group members. There were comments and additions to this text by Terry Burton for example: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/emu/?q=Client%20re-validation%20of%20server%20authority%20information%20during%20resumption

Re: [Emu] draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-11: Conformance with the TLS 13 Spec

2020-11-02 Thread Mohit Sethi M
I now understand your issue with the sentence "An EAP-TLS peer and server SHOULD support the use of HelloRetryRequest message.". I guess there is no need for it, i.e., the section would be just fine without that sentence: TLS 1.3 [RFC8446] defines that TLS servers can send a HelloRetryRequest

Re: [Emu] Making Security Practical ... was RE: Moving towards less security in 2020 - OCSP

2020-11-02 Thread Mohit Sethi M
Et voilà, we seem to be moving towards a consensus! --Mohit PS: I would certainly like to help with getting OCSP in mbed TLS. I guess its high time. There have been several requests for this already for a few years: https://github.com/ARMmbed/mbedtls/issues/880 On 11/2/20 10:08 AM, Hannes

[Emu] Making Security Practical ... was RE: Moving towards less security in 2020 - OCSP

2020-11-02 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Hi Mohit, * I think it is a reasonable compromise for servers to implement OCSP stapling. Clients can implement and use it, but they would be compliant even if they don't. So the updated text would be (as Joe wrote in his email): “ EAP-TLS servers supporting TLS 1.3 MUST implement