Re: [Emu] EAP-GPSK update

2007-03-19 Thread Bernard Aboba
Getting more details on this would be interesting for other reasons, too, since there are new designs (e.g., IEEE 802.11r) which are using HMAC-SHA256 -based KDF. Since the 802.11r KDF construction is also claimed to be compliant to NIST recommendations, it is somewhat odd to see EAP-GPSK take the

Re: [Emu] EAP-GPSK update

2007-03-18 Thread Charles Clancy
The problem with using a known key is that the function is invertable. The KDF doesn't work unless you can't invert it. See: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dang-nistkdf Sounds like we should talk to our new A-D, since he's a coauthor on the document from NIST. -- t. charles clancy, ph.d. <>

Re: [Emu] EAP-GPSK update

2007-03-18 Thread Jouni Malinen
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 01:24:20PM -0400, Charles Clancy wrote: > The problem is that the new KDF construction uses hashes instead of MACs. Would use of CMAC with zero-key be acceptable to generate a hash function for a KDF? Is there any publicly available document describing why hashes should be

Re: [Emu] EAP-GPSK update

2007-03-18 Thread Charles Clancy
The problem is that the new KDF construction uses hashes instead of MACs. -- t. charles clancy, ph.d. <> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> www.cs.umd.edu/~clancy On Sun, March 18, 2007 11:10 am, Jouni Malinen wrote: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 11:22:15PM -0400, Charles Clancy wrote: > >> We've put together

Re: [Emu] EAP-GPSK update

2007-03-18 Thread Jouni Malinen
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 11:22:15PM -0400, Charles Clancy wrote: > We've put together an update to the GPSK draft to address the last call > comments. Below is a list of the identified issues and their solutions. > Issue: use of SHA-1 (Aboba) > Resolution: switched AES ciphersuite to use SHA256

RE: [Emu] EAP-GPSK update

2007-03-18 Thread Charles Clancy
On Mon, March 12, 2007 8:01 pm, Narayanan, Vidya wrote: > > Well, I didn't really ask why not use EAP-TLS-PSK instead of GPSK :) I > was asking if there could be an explanation of some design goal that > really justified the use of GPSK over the other listed PSK-based > methods. The design goals f

RE: [Emu] EAP-GPSK update

2007-03-12 Thread Narayanan, Vidya
Hi Charles, Thanks for the quick update of the draft. A few comments inline. > -Original Message- > From: Charles Clancy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:22 PM > To: emu@ietf.org > Subject: [Emu] EAP-GPSK update > > All, > > We&#

[Emu] EAP-GPSK update

2007-03-11 Thread Charles Clancy
All, We've put together an update to the GPSK draft to address the last call comments. Below is a list of the identified issues and their solutions. For a variety of issues we recommended no change with a brief description. If more detail is desired, we can certainly discuss them further o