Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Ian Mann
A few thoughts on my own experience... My friends who do not encrypt all say they have nothing to hide, or I only email regular stuff and the government are welcome to read it and get bored, that's the standard response I get. Only one commented, "Will I have to do anything different from what

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Ian Mann
A few thoughts on my own experience... My firiends who do not encrypt all say they have nothing to hide, or I only email regular stuff and the government are welcome to read it and get bored, that's the standard response I get. Only one commented, "Will I have to do anything different from what

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Wed 2015-03-18 15:24:50 -0400, Doug Barton wrote: > I've done what you've done in the past, sit down with a room full of > people and explain to them how PGP works, the barest of fundamentals > they need to know in order to get started, and walked through some demo > e-mails. I've done this w

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Doug Barton
On 3/18/15 1:10 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: That's a totally non-sequitur argument... That's because it's not an argument. It's showing you that you're arguing from one particular viewpoint, and the other viewpoint is every bit as valid. They are just as correct to question your existence as

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> That's a totally non-sequitur argument... That's because it's not an argument. It's showing you that you're arguing from one particular viewpoint, and the other viewpoint is every bit as valid. They are just as correct to question your existence as you are to question theirs. And they are als

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Doug Barton
On 3/18/15 12:49 PM, Onno Ekker wrote: On 18-3-2015 20:24, Doug Barton wrote: I'm not sure that's necessary ... a good graphics person could come up with a "least common denominator" button that would fit in with all 3 platforms. In add-ons it is perfectly possible to create different skins f

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Doug Barton
On 3/18/15 9:01 AM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: I should add that one of the outcome if the usability study we had last year showed that this is an important function and that such a button was missing - Was that study published anywhere? If not, can you make it available? I would love to know

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Onno Ekker
On 18-3-2015 20:24, Doug Barton wrote: > On 3/18/15 5:54 AM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> On Wed 2015-03-18 03:23:04 -0400, Doug Barton wrote: >>> On 3/17/15 11:03 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: My composition toolbar currently already has: Send | Spelling | Attach | S/MIME | Sav

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Ian Mann
I like the 'Attach My Public Key' button, its so handy where it now is... Ian On 19/03/15 06:35, Doug Barton wrote: > On 3/18/15 7:53 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: >>> But what percentage of overall enigmail users are they, and how >>> likely are they to blindly send their key to a keyserver rather

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Doug Barton
On 3/18/15 7:53 AM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: But what percentage of overall enigmail users are they, and how likely are they to blindly send their key to a keyserver rather then blindly click a button to attach their public key? Try turning your question around. Consider if one of them were to

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Doug Barton
On 3/18/15 5:54 AM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: On Wed 2015-03-18 03:23:04 -0400, Doug Barton wrote: On 3/17/15 11:03 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: My composition toolbar currently already has: Send | Spelling | Attach | S/MIME | Save Yes, that's the default, and I have those as well (ico

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread michael
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/18/2015 12:01 PM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: > I should add that one of the outcome if the usability study we had > last year showed that this is an important function and that such a > button was missing - especially for beginners who don't wan

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 18.03.15 15:53, Robert J. Hansen wrote: >> But what percentage of overall enigmail users are they, and how >> likely are they to blindly send their key to a keyserver rather >> then blindly click a button to attach their public key? [...] > > If

Re: [Enigmail] New GnuPG 2.0.27

2015-03-18 Thread Bob Henson
On 18/03/2015 12:57 pm, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: > On 18.03.15 12:11, Bob Henson wrote: >> I just installed the new GnupG 2.0.27, via Gpg4Win 2.2.4 vanilla. >> I couldnot access the Enigmail key management window at all - >> getting the following error message:- > >> error The spinner was indica

Re: [Enigmail] Survey: Inline-PGP or PGP/MIME

2015-03-18 Thread Anne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17/03/2015 20:22, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: > On 17.03.15 20:00, Anne Wilson wrote: > >> +1. Perhaps Patrick could point us to a beginners' guide >> detailing the differences? > > Inline-PGP: The traditional method. It dates back to the 90s. Th

Re: [Enigmail] Survey: Inline-PGP or PGP/MIME

2015-03-18 Thread Anne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17/03/2015 19:54, Robert J. Hansen wrote: >> +1. Perhaps Patrick could point us to a beginners' guide >> detailing the differences? > > https://www.gnupg.org/faq/gnupg-faq.html#use_pgpmime > Thanks Anne -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Gnu

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Robert J. Hansen
> But what percentage of overall enigmail users are they, and how > likely are they to blindly send their key to a keyserver rather then > blindly click a button to attach their public key? Try turning your question around. Consider if one of them were to ask, "But what percentage of overall Enig

Re: [Enigmail] New GnuPG 2.0.27

2015-03-18 Thread Ludwig Hügelschäfer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 18.03.15 12:11, Bob Henson wrote: > I just installed the new GnupG 2.0.27, via Gpg4Win 2.2.4 vanilla. > I couldnot access the Enigmail key management window at all - > getting the following error message:- > > error The spinner was indicating tha

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Wed 2015-03-18 03:23:04 -0400, Doug Barton wrote: > On 3/17/15 11:03 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> My composition toolbar currently already has: >> >> Send | Spelling | Attach | S/MIME | Save > > Yes, that's the default, and I have those as well (icons and text). thanks for the reportback

Re: [Enigmail] enigmail tagging scheme -- move from enigmail-1-8 to enigmail-1.9 ?

2015-03-18 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Wed 2015-03-18 03:26:02 -0400, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: > Yes, I think we can move away from enigmail-x-y to enigmail-x.y. I'll > try to remember this when doing the next release. great, thanks! If it would help any to have this decision recorded in the repo, you could duplicate the 1-8 tag a

Re: [Enigmail] New GnuPG 2.0.27

2015-03-18 Thread Olav Seyfarth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I confirm issues with Enigmail 1.8 in combination with GPG4win 2.2.4 (full). I see "gpg: Oops: keyid_from_fingerprint: no pubkey" twice and an error about key "" being more than once in trustdb along with a hint that MD5 sigs are rejected wh

Re: [Enigmail] New GnuPG 2.0.27

2015-03-18 Thread Kosuke Kaizuka
On 2015/03/18 20:11, Bob Henson wrote: > I just installed the new GnupG 2.0.27, via Gpg4Win 2.2.4 vanilla. I > couldnot access the Enigmail key management window at all - getting the > following error message:- > > error > The spinner was indicating that it was trying to load the keys, but > nothi

Re: [Enigmail] [ANN] Enigmail v1.8 Available

2015-03-18 Thread Kosuke Kaizuka
On 2015/03/18 02:15, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: > I'm happy to announce the availability of Enigmail v1.8 for > Thunderbird 31, and SeaMonkey 2.29 and newer. Works fine with Thunderbird 37.0beta. Thank you for hard work. -- Kosuke Kaizuka signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[Enigmail] New GnuPG 2.0.27

2015-03-18 Thread Bob Henson
I just installed the new GnupG 2.0.27, via Gpg4Win 2.2.4 vanilla. I couldnot access the Enigmail key management window at all - getting the following error message:- error The spinner was indicating that it was trying to load the keys, but nothing happenedafter a considerable wait. I reinstalled

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Doug Barton
On 3/18/15 12:17 AM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: You can move all icons to the "upper" toolbar if you want to (using the right mouse key -> Customize). The new toolbar is a regular Thunderbird toolbar; you can freely move the icons between the two. I am aware, but thank you for your response in a

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Doug Barton
On 3/17/15 11:46 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: Um, since when? Hasn't the CW always been to have the user upload their key to a key server? Emphatically: no! There are places in the world that will throw you in jail for using crypto. People in these places tend to, and probably are correct to,

Re: [Enigmail] enigmail tagging scheme -- move from enigmail-1-8 to enigmail-1.9 ?

2015-03-18 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17.03.15 20:09, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > Hi Enigmail folks-- > > Thanks for the enigmail v1.8 release, i hope to have it in debian > experimental later today. > > I notice that the enigmail tagging scheme maps version 1.8 to > enigmail-1-8

Re: [Enigmail] running test suites -- thunderbird -jsunit ?

2015-03-18 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 18.03.15 01:07, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > hi enigmail folks-- > > I see that there are now test suites in the enigmail source! Well yes, we have _very_ few of them; currently only to test the concept. Details can be found here: https://source

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Doug Barton
On 3/17/15 11:03 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: On Wed 2015-03-18 01:39:06 -0400, Doug Barton wrote: I buy that argument, but it seems much more reasonable to me to make sign and encrypt buttons that show up in the composition toolbar. This would mean that we get the same usability improvement,

Re: [Enigmail] unused.txt after "make" on 1.8

2015-03-18 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 17.03.15 22:25, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > hi enigmail folks-- > > after running "make" in 1.8, i see the contents below in > unused.txt. > > Many of these do indeed seem to be unused. Would a series of > patches that clean them up be welcome

Re: [Enigmail] New 1.8 toolbar on the composition window

2015-03-18 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 18.03.15 06:39, Doug Barton wrote: > On 3/17/15 8:00 PM, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> >>> On 18/03/15 12:43, Doug Barton wrote: Were the buttons for encrypt and sign moved up to their own toolbar instead of the old icons at the b