Re: [e-users] Entrance and .xinitrc

2005-07-28 Thread phriedrich
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:22:59 +0100 Paulo Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to start some programs with E16, using Entrance (latest > CVS) as login manager. Well, I've tried .xinitrc lines but it > seems Entrance ignores it. How can I start xscreensaver and > engage for example with my

[e-users] Entrance and .xinitrc

2005-07-28 Thread Paulo Matos
Hi all, I'd like to start some programs with E16, using Entrance (latest CVS) as login manager. Well, I've tried .xinitrc lines but it seems Entrance ignores it. How can I start xscreensaver and engage for example with my E16 release? Cheers, -- Paulo Jorge Matos - pocm at sat inesc-id pt So

Re: [e-users] Bug in module ibar

2005-07-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:33:07 -0500 Erick Ivaan Lopez Carreon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 15:18 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:36:36 +0200 Oliver Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I discovered a bug with ib

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:45:13 -0500 "Felix Boecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > what transparency does E17 actually do? anything like what KDE 3.4 does? I > have heard about transparency in E17 but so far I've only found reports of > fake transparency in console windows. as i keep saying - and

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Shish
> how did you get that transparency to work? "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" as root to stop the display manager so I can start X manually; then I log in as a regular user and start X with: startx -- +extension RENDER +extension Composite +extension DAMAGE +extension XFIXES (I think only RENDER and Compo

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Paulo Jorge de Oliveira Cantante de Matos
Shish said: >> [ ... E17 doesn't do real transparency ... ] > > http://shish.is-a-geek.net/pub/ufufuf/e17_real_transparency.jpg > > Ubuntu Stable's latest Xorg; as said transparency isn't an E > issue so > much as an X one (xcompmgr and transset are part of the xorg > toolset > IIRC), but what you

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Shish
Just realised the list didn't get CCed: > Shish, > Would it be possible to just post a screenshot of your transparency > instead of a picture of the monitor? Just wondering :) > > Jason ImageMagick's "import" imports without transparency, so I assumed it was being done at the hardware level an

RE: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Jason Smith
Shish, Would it be possible to just post a screenshot of your transparency instead of a picture of the monitor? Just wondering :) Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shish Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:42 PM To: enlightenment-users@li

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Виктор Кожухаров
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 15:11 -0400, Luke Albers wrote: > On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 19:39 +0100, Shish wrote: > snip > > > > Sure it's not too fast on my 266MHz box with no video acceleration, but > > it works, and it's fast enough to not be *painfully* slow > > > > -- Shish > > I can't get it to

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Luke Albers
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 20:42 +0100, Shish wrote: > While I'm here; skippy-xd (the expose clone), with updating window > previews -- it doesn't work in E17 as skippy exits with "WM not GNOME / > NETWM compatible" (or words to that effect). 1.7MB over my home DSL line > (256k upload), so please excuse

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Shish
While I'm here; skippy-xd (the expose clone), with updating window previews -- it doesn't work in E17 as skippy exits with "WM not GNOME / NETWM compatible" (or words to that effect). 1.7MB over my home DSL line (256k upload), so please excuse the lack of transfer speed :) http://shish.is-a-geek.n

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Luke Albers
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 19:39 +0100, Shish wrote: snip > > Sure it's not too fast on my 266MHz box with no video acceleration, but > it works, and it's fast enough to not be *painfully* slow > > -- Shish I can't get it to work at all on my 2 year old laptop, and it runs so slow that its worthl

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Shish
> [ ... E17 doesn't do real transparency ... ] http://shish.is-a-geek.net/pub/ufufuf/e17_real_transparency.jpg Ubuntu Stable's latest Xorg; as said transparency isn't an E issue so much as an X one (xcompmgr and transset are part of the xorg toolset IIRC), but what you see IS E17 with overlapping

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Christian Pedaschus
FORT Yannick wrote: > If you consider "very experimental, totaly not optimal, working on > some hardware only, no software manages it correctly" as "it does" > isn't this what winvista will be "after" the final release? *lol* greets, Chris --

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Colin Ashe
Would an application utilizing true transparency in E17 actually have to be made as a module, or would it just need to use elements of the EFL to render its content? On 7/28/05, Lionel ORRY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 2005/7/28, Felix Boecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > what transparency does

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Lionel ORRY
2005/7/28, Felix Boecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: what transparency does E17 actually do? Once and again : E17 does REAL transparency. anything like what KDE 3.4 does? I have heard about transparency in E17 but so far I've only found reports of fake transparency in console windows. The fact that distu

[e-users] Evidence bug

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Torrefranca
if someone has posted this "feature" i am sorry. I have been trying evidence with gant theme. well i dont usually delete files from evidence, but tonight i tried deleting all files from a folder with 250 text files. a confirmation to delete pop-up shows. cool. but the buttons,, are cover

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Ricardo Birmann
I've seen true transparency, i.e. transparent windows that would show other (transparent or not windows) underneath it. i don't have any other details, though, as i've only seen it once at a friend of mine's house i sent him an email, he should post here within the next few days ricardoOn 28

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Felix Boecker
what transparency does E17 actually do? anything like what KDE 3.4 does? I have heard about transparency in E17 but so far I've only found reports of fake transparency in console windows. --Fx - Original Message - From: "Daniel Kozlowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FORT Yannick" <[EMAIL P

Re: [e-users] Bug in module ibar

2005-07-28 Thread Erick Ivaan Lopez Carreon
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 15:18 +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:36:36 +0200 Oliver Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > > > Hi, > > > > I discovered a bug with ibar. > > When I use the touchpad to move the pointer over the icons in the bar; and > > I > > inadvertently

Re: [e-users] E17 timeline (...!)

2005-07-28 Thread Martin Geisler
Christoph Gysin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Marco Bluethgen wrote: >> Debian Packages can be found on >> http://soulmachine.net/debian/unstable >> There are also deb-files for Ubuntu-Hoary on >> http://ubuntu.nooms.de/hoary >> bye marco > > You should send that to the list, not to me. I'm using

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Daniel Kozlowski
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 16:50 +0200, FORT Yannick wrote: > Ricardo Birmann wrote: > > well, i am sure that xfree does not implement true transparency, but i > > think xorg does more than that, i think it ca be used with E17 > > > If you consider "very experimental, totaly not optimal, working

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread FORT Yannick
Ricardo Birmann wrote: well, i am sure that xfree does not implement true transparency, but i think xorg does more than that, i think it ca be used with E17 If you consider "very experimental, totaly not optimal, working on some hardware only, no software manages it correctly" as "it does

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Paulo Jorge de Oliveira Cantante de Matos
Ricardo Birmann said: >> >> What you see on screenshots is TRUE transparency, and e17 >> doesn't manage >> any form of transparency, as xorg doesn't, all xorg can do is >> "fake" >> transparency, that is ugly, and cannot be compared with true >> transparency (on WinVista, you see windows behine wi

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Ricardo Birmann
What you see on screenshots is TRUE transparency, and e17 doesn't manageany form of transparency, as xorg doesn't, all xorg can do is "fake" transparency, that is ugly, and cannot be compared with truetransparency (on WinVista, you see windows behine windows, with faketransparency, you see your wal

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread FORT Yannick
I'm really sorry, but i have to say it's not true, in particular about transparency, because for low-level things like that, e17 depends on xorg, that is far behind windows (Win2k has a better transparency managemebnt than last-lastest xorg, and surely one or two next releases) What you see on

Re: [e-users] E17 timeline (...!)

2005-07-28 Thread Martin Geisler
Benjamin Stocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm also reading about E17 development. I know that this question is > already answered in the FAQ, but I still would like to know: Will > there be a alpha or beta version of E17 in nearst time? I ask this > because I'm afraid of compiling the source

Re: [e-users] E17 timeline (...!)

2005-07-28 Thread Christoph Gysin
Marco Bluethgen wrote: Debian Packages can be found on http://soulmachine.net/debian/unstable There are also deb-files for Ubuntu-Hoary on http://ubuntu.nooms.de/hoary bye marco You should send that to the list, not to me. I'm using gentoo ;-) Christoph -- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'<*>'|sed

Re: [e-users] E17 timeline (...!)

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Torrefranca
Christoph Gysin wrote: Christoph Gysin wrote: (unofficial) SuSE 9.3 rpm's can be found here: http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/9.3-i386/RPMS.suser-tux/ ..and for 9.2, under: http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/9.2-i386/RPMS.suser-tux/ Christoph Here's for Ubuntu if you d

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Kit
Yepp. The idea about the cost didn't came up to my mind =) Interesting, how much will the Visa be? On 7/28/05, Ricardo Birmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Apart from the gpu, opengl, etc.. dependency issues that have been > mentioned, there is a HUGE difference between E and Visa that can not b

Re: [e-users] E17 timeline (...!)

2005-07-28 Thread Christoph Gysin
Christoph Gysin wrote: (unofficial) SuSE 9.3 rpm's can be found here: http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/9.3-i386/RPMS.suser-tux/ ..and for 9.2, under: http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/9.2-i386/RPMS.suser-tux/ Christoph -- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'<*>'|sed 's. ..'|tr "<*> !#:

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Ricardo Birmann
Apart from the gpu, opengl, etc.. dependency issues that have been mentioned, there is a HUGE difference between E and Visa that can not be left unsaid: E is free! remember? "free as in freedom" By looking at these screenshots (from Visa) the feeling I get is" oh, well, here comes another

Re: [e-users] E17 timeline (...!)

2005-07-28 Thread Christoph Gysin
Benjamin Stocker wrote: I'm also reading about E17 development. I know that this question is already answered in the FAQ, but I still would like to know: Will there be a alpha or beta version of E17 in nearst time? I ask this because I'm afraid of compiling the source and are looking forward t

Re: [e-users] E17 timeline (...!)

2005-07-28 Thread Kit
For now, there are no time lines at all =-/ And, as far as it seems, there will be no TL for a while. But there is another idea: there are a lot of users, which don't like building from CVS etc.. Meybe it is possible to create some binaries for them in a kind of lets say "pre-pre-alpha" ?

[e-users] E17 timeline (...!)

2005-07-28 Thread Benjamin Stocker
Dear Enlightenment-Enthusiasts First of all, I want to thank the developers for that great Desktop-Shell. It's a fantastic software and I use it for almost five years now. It does all I need very quickly and it is very flexible! And - last but not least - it looks great! I'm also reading abou

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:05:44 +0400 Kit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Surely, everyone've heard about today's Windows Vista (aka Longhorn > client) Beta Testing start... I've taken a look at some screenshots > (e.g. here: http://www.pro-networks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60202) > and one thing is

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Kit
And it is already very nice! And is there any chance, that, with OpenGL, animated bg-s won't require that much of CPU? On 7/28/05, Christoph Gysin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kit wrote: > > All the visual stuff i saw at these screenshot is quite a long ago > > available in E17... And for most o

Re: [e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Christoph Gysin
Kit wrote: All the visual stuff i saw at these screenshot is quite a long ago available in E17... And for most of them, i think E17 does much better, even in using video cards - M$ Vista reuqires DirectX 9-accelerated hardware, and E17 does not need more, than OpenGL! E17 doesn't even require O

[e-users] Windows Vista

2005-07-28 Thread Kit
Surely, everyone've heard about today's Windows Vista (aka Longhorn client) Beta Testing start... I've taken a look at some screenshots (e.g. here: http://www.pro-networks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60202) and one thing is to be said: In comparison to Windows Vista, with all it's developers and des

Re: [e-users] after a month of using E17

2005-07-28 Thread Christoph Gysin
Steve Torrefranca wrote: enlightenment_remote -edge-flip-timeout-set so that is how you configure the desktop thanks dude! am trying out a couple of enlightenment_remote options There will be graphical tools to setup most of the enlightenment_remote commands in the future. Until then, enli

Re: [e-users] after a month of using E17

2005-07-28 Thread FORT Yannick
Steve Torrefranca wrote: 2. I love to create my own eap. but i have just one issue though... I am running cross-over office. fireworks and dreamweaver eap cannot co-exist because they fall under 1 eap which is Wine.eap. Is there a way to fix this? You can use e_util_eapp_edit to create an

Re: [e-users] after a month of using E17

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Torrefranca
enlightenment_remote -edge-flip-timeout-set Sorry am new to E and I jumped straight to E17 :P so that is how you configure the desktop thanks dude! am trying out a couple of enlightenment_remote options steve -- Steve Ong Torrefranca http://www.on-tvmall.com.tw --

Re: [e-users] after a month of using E17

2005-07-28 Thread Daniel Ekström
The timeout on edgeflip is easily set with enlightenment_remote: enlightenment_remote -edge-flip-timeout-set Enjoy! / Daniel Ekström On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Steve Torrefranca wrote: > over all great!!! > > i am running ubuntu with E17 and my desktop rocks, making Mac OS X > looking like win95 :D

[e-users] after a month of using E17

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Torrefranca
over all great!!! i am running ubuntu with E17 and my desktop rocks, making Mac OS X looking like win95 :D anyway here are some of, well e sometimes, annoying "features" of E17 1. moving to the next desktop by moving the mouse to the side is a nice feature... but i think its too fast.

Re: [e-users] Segfault

2005-07-28 Thread Kit
Well, it can be just a kind of local trouble... Maybe, you shall check different lib versions, in case you've got some old ones somewhere? As to me, after i've checked out CVS about... 2 weeks ago, everything works great - without single segfault On 7/28/05, Daniel Ekström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Re: [e-users] Segfault

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Torrefranca
>>I can change themes just fine here... ? >> It happens to me too often when I exit or restart E17. both R40 IBm laptop and d240 HP >>does restart segfault? >> both - Exit and Restart. change of theme? nope never happened >>does e manage to >>change themes even with a segv? >> >> >> cant s

Re: [e-users] Segfault

2005-07-28 Thread Daniel Ekström
Restarting e will not cause a segfault. E manage to change theme after segfault, but of course it needs a restart. On Thu, 28 Jul 2005, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:27:31 +0200 (CEST) Daniel Ekstr__m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > babbled: > > > This might have been said before, as I'm

[e-users] EWL broken?

2005-07-28 Thread TongKe Xue
Hey,   I'm trying to read the EWL documentation. I run into the problem of not being able to compile the example on page 5. (Complaint about unable to find ewl_entry_text_get).   I can't seem to compile the version in CVS either (take a look at below -- I'm using the source code + Makefile from t