Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 00:22:08 -0500 Jeff Hoogland said: > They aren't just talking about the Bodhi theme. They are talking about E in > general. i read the thread - the reddit one, and they are. when they are specific: "Looks like a baby took a shit on your screen as you were taking screenshots.

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

They aren't just talking about the Bodhi theme. They are talking about E in general. That web update thread goes back to a point where we don't have a "default" Bodhi theme - we have a selection of themes at startup which includes your dark default theme. What doesn't look consistent and/or polis

[e-users] engage

My understanding is that engage hasn't compiled for a while, due to changes in the compositing layer. I really miss engage. I miss it enough I will attempt to fix it. I can code and I have some experience with graphics toolkits. I also have a week or so in the near future where I can focus on gett

Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 05:47:20 +0200 Morten Nilsen said: > On 11/06/14 04:21, Iván Briano wrote: > >>> There does seem to be, I have this file; > >>> /usr/lib64/ecore_imf/modules/xim/v-1.10/module.so > >> > >> then... i'm not sure why it doesn't work. ecore_imf can't find it's > >> modules? that'd

Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:21:03 -0300 Iván Briano said: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 01:15:58 +0200 Morten Nilsen said: > > > >> On 11/06/14 00:30, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >> > is there an scim ecore_imf module installed? /

Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM

On 11/06/14 04:21, Iván Briano wrote: >>> There does seem to be, I have this file; >>> /usr/lib64/ecore_imf/modules/xim/v-1.10/module.so >> >> then... i'm not sure why it doesn't work. ecore_imf can't find it's modules? >> that'd be odd. >> > > That's the plain XIM module, not SCIM. Okay, so the p

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland said: i'm going to respond here and include some stuff put into the thread so far. before i do that note that several efl devs you'd want to talk to are not subscribed to this mailing list, so expect you are seeing a subset of the audience. now co

Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 01:15:58 +0200 Morten Nilsen said: > >> On 11/06/14 00:30, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> > is there an scim ecore_imf module installed? /usr/lib/ecore_imf/modules for >> > you i guess (adjust /usr as appr

Re: [e-users] Has enlightenment stopped supporting Ubuntu?

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 21:53:29 + E F said: enlightenment never "supported ubuntu". some individuals dod some packaging at some point and made ppas or voulunteered to be official package maintainers and put them into debian and/or ubuntu. a lot of the core devs now have stopped using ubuntu, or

Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 01:15:58 +0200 Morten Nilsen said: > On 11/06/14 00:30, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > is there an scim ecore_imf module installed? /usr/lib/ecore_imf/modules for > > you i guess (adjust /usr as appropriate). > > > > There does seem to be, I have this file; > /us

Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM

On 11/06/14 00:30, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > is there an scim ecore_imf module installed? /usr/lib/ecore_imf/modules for > you > i guess (adjust /usr as appropriate). > There does seem to be, I have this file; /usr/lib64/ecore_imf/modules/xim/v-1.10/module.so -- Cheers, Dr. P :w

Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 18:31:05 +0200 Morten Nilsen said: > On 10/06/14 18:23, Iván Briano wrote: > >> Is there some efl package I might be missing, or a compile time option > >> the packager may have missed? > > > > Maybe, did you have SCIM installed by the time you built the EFL? > > I didn't bui

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

> the beauty of Linux is that you can change distro, desktop environment or/and > window manager. and if you still don't like it, you can build your own theme > or get the source code and make it the way you like it best. at no cost, > without loss of data or productivity. This is the sort of en

Re: [e-users] Has enlightenment stopped supporting Ubuntu?

You can easily add Bodhi's E19 desktop to any 14.04 install -> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2014/03/howto-add-bodhis-enlightenment-desktop.html On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:53 PM, E F wrote: > The latest Ubuntu LTS release ("trusty") has been out for two months now, > but the latest distributi

[e-users] Has enlightenment stopped supporting Ubuntu?

The latest Ubuntu LTS release ("trusty") has been out for two months now, but the latest distribution in the PPA is "saucy". The packages in the PPA have broken dependencies in "trusty", and cannot be installed even after modifying the PPA URL to use "saucy" instead of "trusty". There is a work

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

While I admit that I never installed any, all of the e17 themes strike me as highly individualistic, rather than something I would associate with mass appeal. > It is just beyond frustrating that even here people are just linking > abstract ideas. What is a cut and dry solution? Give me hexcodes

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

> Is basically the feedback I get from non-E users most times. Thoughts on > this? lots of people still don't understand that you are _not_ forced to drive a Trabant/Volkswagen/Opel/ for the rest of your life if you don't want to. fancy a Viper, Ferrari, Tesla, Dacia or 2CV? be our guest! the b

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 18:33 GMT-03:00 Jeff Hoogland : > It is just beyond frustrating that even here people are just linking > abstract ideas. What is a cut and dry solution? Give me hexcodes/RBG values > for things that are suppose to "look modern" and "mesh well". > What about using Tango[1]-themed icons?

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

It is just beyond frustrating that even here people are just linking abstract ideas. What is a cut and dry solution? Give me hexcodes/RBG values for things that are suppose to "look modern" and "mesh well". I'm not an artist and I don't claim to be. I am just looking for reasonable feedback that i

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

Jeff, mk is actually on to something. I grew up with a dad who was a research and development chemist. He specialized in... color. As a conseqence I heard a lot about it and got roped into doing a couple science fairs relating to the subject of color. As ironic as it is, I am an unusual indivi

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

Chris, These same people complain about the default E theme and the dozens of E17 themes out there. On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Christopher Barry < christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. Bhodi's default theme is painful to look at. Read some Johannes > Itten, like 'elements of col

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

Agreed. Bhodi's default theme is painful to look at. Read some Johannes Itten, like 'elements of color'. On Jun 10, 2014 3:35 PM, "mk" wrote: > Jeff, > > Red, orange, brown are not suitable colors for desktop environment. I > suspect you used orange as a menu highlight to symbolically indicate th

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

people complain anyway. if is new then the old was better if keep the way is not modern/ugly/... look at firefox/opera/kde/gnome/... full with heaters :) i dont like your theme but im sure others will like it, keep your way :) On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 10:31 PM, mk wrote: > Jeff, > > Red, orange

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

Jeff, Red, orange, brown are not suitable colors for desktop environment. I suspect you used orange as a menu highlight to symbolically indicate that Bodhi is an ubuntu derivative. Not a good choice. Take it out. Mark Shuttleworth is an artistic illiterate. Think of this: why matadors use red

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

I don't worry too much about the Settings Panel horror, because at some point in the future this will be fixed, apparently. ¹ I also don't play around with Settings too much because I get lost. 1 : https://phab.enlightenment.org/T553 -*Yomi* On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:34 AM, William wrote: >

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

everybody know it is ugly :-D what's the news? On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Jeff Hoogland wrote: > Is basically the feedback I get from non-E users most times. Thoughts on > this? > > Recent example -> > http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/27qt7k/bodhi_linux_300_rc1_released_ubuntu_1404_b

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

On 06/10/2014 11:58 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 10/06/2014 17:34, William wrote: >> I have long played with the thought that perhaps there should be a >> secondary, not so super-scary version of Enlightenment for "regular >> Linux users". This would have to have a default interface with highly >

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

On 10/06/2014 17:34, William wrote: > I have long played with the thought that perhaps there should be a > secondary, not so super-scary version of Enlightenment for "regular > Linux users". This would have to have a default interface with highly > refined aesthetics and functional defaults. It

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 11:38 GMT-03:00 Jeff Hoogland : > Thoughts on > this? > It's a matter of taste. Maybe if developers followed this user's advices, we'd have even more hateful comments on this same thread. My preferred E theme was the grunge theme, but E breaks compat with themes too often and I think

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

Ugly: matter of taste. I've always liked the default themes a lot, and some others in the old pre-E17 days. The color variations on the old b&w theme not so much. Inconsistency with gtk themes is the problem for me. It's very hard to find a good dark gtk theme, that doesn't mess up web browsing in

Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM

On 10/06/14 18:23, Iván Briano wrote: >> Is there some efl package I might be missing, or a compile time option >> the packager may have missed? > > Maybe, did you have SCIM installed by the time you built the EFL? I didn't build anything, I installed the packages available in this repo: http://r

Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Morten Nilsen wrote: > On 10/06/14 04:20, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> works for me with a kde app... i don't know what's up with you there, but if >> you used the e scim setup, it runs the scim core for you on login and sets >> several env vars: > >

Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM

On 10/06/14 04:20, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > works for me with a kde app... i don't know what's up with you there, but if > you used the e scim setup, it runs the scim core for you on login and sets > several env vars: I did use the input method settings in E to configure SCIM; htt

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

Jeff, you are right that those guys do not really say anything helpful. I am using the default theme and I find it both beautiful and usable, as well as Enlightenment as a whole. It is very carefully engineered and not getting in the way. To me, the theme is "classic", yet very polished, remin

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

First a disclaimer: I Love Enlightenment and use it as my main workstation OS. While I only started using it full-time last year, I have been following it's development since 1997. As things stand, I would not want to use another system. The ugly and awful truth from my perspective: yes, Enligh

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

On 10/06/2014 16:38, Jeff Hoogland wrote: > Is basically the feedback I get from non-E users most times. Thoughts on > this? > > Recent example -> > http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/27qt7k/bodhi_linux_300_rc1_released_ubuntu_1404_base/ > Jeff, I feel the same way as those posters, just

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland wrote: > Is basically the feedback I get from non-E users most times. Thoughts > on this? > > Recent example -> > http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/27qt7k/bodhi_linux_300_rc1_released_ubuntu_1404_base/ Tell the people that think it looks "ol

[e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

Is basically the feedback I get from non-E users most times. Thoughts on this? Recent example -> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/27qt7k/bodhi_linux_300_rc1_released_ubuntu_1404_base/ -- ~Jeff Hoogland Thoughts on Technology , T