Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread Pierce Nichols
At 10:19 PM 10/28/2002 -0800, David Weinshenker wrote: Pierce Nichols wrote: > The actual working catalyst should be a ceramic > composed of the best catalysts found in the search. Pressed into pellets and fired at high temperature, no doubt... :) Something like that :P. -p

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread David Weinshenker
Pierce Nichols wrote: > The actual working catalyst should be a ceramic > composed of the best catalysts found in the search. Pressed into pellets and fired at high temperature, no doubt... :) -dave w ___ ERPS-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread Pierce Nichols
At 09:34 PM 10/28/2002 -0800, Sean R. Lynch wrote: For example, according to Dan's tests platinum only works well at high temperatures. I was hoping we could use something a little less expensive, though. Stainless steel maybe? :) Iron oxide is a catalyst. Stainless steel doesn't for

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread Sean R. Lynch
On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 16:49, Randall Clague wrote: > Why? Armadillo is having performance problem which they suspect are > due to cold. ERPS isn't. Because silver melts above 85-90%, electrical heating significantly increases the range of catalysts available to us, and because we're eventually

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread ShadowMem
There is a little bit of theoretical performance increase at higher temperatures, *but*, the peroxide also gets less dense, which would require slightly bigger tanks. Either effect is probably in the noise of what we could measure. This assumes of course, that its warm enough to fully catalyze.

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread Alex Fraser
Is there actual test data on this temperature performance relationship? If you get 430 lbf. at 74 F would it be worth it to heat to 110 F. ? What is the danger point for heating 85% H2O2? Randall Clague wrote: > On 28 Oct 2002 15:32:36 -0800, "Sean R. Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> >

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread Henry Spencer
> ...Would tungsten work or would that have to be too hot? In addition to the oxidation problems already noted, tungsten has a bad habit of being brittle at room temperature. Henry Spencer

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread Randall Clague
On 28 Oct 2002 15:32:36 -0800, "Sean R. Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >Did you guys read the Armadillo update, in particular the part about >> >suspected correlation between milky exhaust and initial temperature of >> >peroxide. >> >> Yep. Initial peroxide temperature has a pronounced

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread ShadowMem
IIRC, its not an adherent, tenacious oxide, like what forms on stainless steels and other high temp alloys. This would allow the entire volume of W to oxidize, yielding dust in the exhaust. Aside from this, I don't know how good a catalyst W or its oxide is. Dan In a message dated 10/28/02 3:51

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread Sean R. Lynch
On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 15:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Tungsten easily oxidizes at high temps. Is tungsten oxide a good catalyst or does it end up going away in your exhaust? -- Sean R. Lynch KG6CVV http://www.chaosring.org/~seanl/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed messa

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread ShadowMem
Tungsten easily oxidizes at high temps. Dan In a message dated 10/28/02 3:33:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Would tungsten work or would that have to be too hot? >> ___ ERPS-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.erps.org/mailman/listi

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread Sean R. Lynch
On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 15:19, Randall Clague wrote: > On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:12:23 -0500, Alex Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >Did you guys read the Armadillo update, in particular the part about > >suspected correlation between milky exhaust and initial temperature of > >peroxide. >

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread Randall Clague
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:12:23 -0500, Alex Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Did you guys read the Armadillo update, in particular the part about >suspected correlation between milky exhaust and initial temperature of >peroxide. Yep. Initial peroxide temperature has a pronounced effect on cat

[ERPS] Of spam and lists.erps.org

2002-10-28 Thread Sean R. Lynch
Please note that the only reason I'm sending anything about spam to the list is because spam has affected the list directly. This message is not meant to start a discussion about spam or anything related to spam. Please do *NOT* post followups to the list unless they're directly related to ERPS or

Re: [ERPS] FAA ignoring you?

2002-10-28 Thread ShadowMem
Sometimes a prod from a congressperson works wonders. Even a call from one of their staffpeople can move things along. Dan In a message dated 10/28/02 12:28:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << At 06:56 AM 10/28/2002 -0500, you wrote: >How is the FAA ignoring you? > >- Justin S. McFarland We ha

[ERPS] Correction to minutes of ERPS #246

2002-10-28 Thread cpwinter
Correction to item in "Testing": It was Rick Eversole, not Dave Masten, who reported the unavailability of static testing opportunities at UTC. Chris Winter Secretary, ERPS ___ ERPS-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.erps.org/mailman

Re: [ERPS] FAA ignoring you?

2002-10-28 Thread John Carmack
At 06:56 AM 10/28/2002 -0500, you wrote: How is the FAA ignoring you? - Justin S. McFarland We have been pursuing a low altitude waiver for over a year now. Initially, I got a rejection over the phone, but no followup. After they got some push from the Washington AST office, they at least g

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread Alex Fraser
Did you guys read the Armadillo update, in particular the part about suspected correlation between milky exhaust and initial temperature of peroxide. On the static test (KISS III) did you make a note of the initial temperature? I'm not sure of the local conditions where you plan to fly, but I t

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread ShadowMem
Also, KISS III when fully loaded with 'fuel', 10 liters of peroxide, plus the extra plumbing/pressurant tank weight, will weigh about 30 more pounds at liftoff compared to KISS II. The gross liftoff weight (GLOW) of KISS II was about 51 pounds, and KISS III will be about 80 pounds. Thus, we want

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread Michael Wallis
Alex Fraser wrote: > Good News > > Please outline the goals for the KISS III flight. The KISS III vehicle (KISS three not one hundred and eleven), is a follow-on to the successful KISS II campaign to fly a simple ballistic path with an ERPS designed and built vehicle powered by an ERPS desi

Re: [ERPS] KISS III Propulsion System Test

2002-10-28 Thread Alex Fraser
Good News Please outline the goals for the KISS III flight. David Masten wrote: > We tested the KISS III constant pressure propulsion section today.The > test was far from ideal, but we verified what we needed. > > The data acquisition unit just refused to work, a DATAQ that we bought > just

[ERPS] FAA ignoring you?

2002-10-28 Thread Justin S. McFarland
How is the FAA ignoring you? - Justin S. McFarland ___ ERPS-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.erps.org/mailman/listinfo/erps-list