Re: [ERPS] General liquids discussion on erps-list

2003-01-29 Thread Henry Spencer
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, kevin bollinger wrote: > As the founder of the ERPS I thought I should mention that the ERPS was > Chartered with doing RESEARCH in LIQUID ROCKET PROPULSION , not only > Hydrogen Peroxide , and we are a 501C3 organization. I originally envisioned > it as a clearing house for

Re: [ERPS] Address Change - Farewell from Mark Blair

2003-01-29 Thread Sean Lynch
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 09:54:29AM -0800, Mark Blair wrote: > Sean or Michael, > > Can you please delete the ERPS list forward to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Please leave the forward to the: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > as I look forward to hearing how things progress. [EMAIL PROTECTED] was bounc

Re: [ERPS] Re: Monatomic Hydrogen

2003-01-29 Thread Ian Woollard
Perhaps if we write to the company on the dewar's label: Acme Unobtaniom 101 Loonie Toons Drive Warner Brothers Studio Los Angeles, California Sadly that branch of Acme that went out of business after the lawsuits from Mr. W. E. Coyotee in '87.

Re: [ERPS] Re: Monatomic Hydrogen

2003-01-29 Thread ShadowMem
Bill, No need to waste a stamp, we can use my replicator. Dan In a message dated 1/29/03 4:52:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Y'know. I was just puttering around in my garage last night and found a dusty dewar of room temperature single-H above my washing machine, between a dewar of liquid

Re: [ERPS] Re: Monatomic Hydrogen

2003-01-29 Thread Bill Clawson
Y'know. I was just puttering around in my garage last night and found a dusty dewar of room temperature single-H above my washing machine, between a dewar of liquid ozone and a bottle of deuterium-rich hydrozine. It crosses my mind that we should build an engine and start testing with it ASAP. A

Re: [ERPS] Re: Monatomic Hydrogen

2003-01-29 Thread Henry Spencer
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Randall Clague wrote: > >they were determined at: 1000 -> 0.2 psia, or 5000:1 pressure ratio...! > >...are they within reach of practical nozzles? > > I don't see why not. An expansion ratio of 5000 is a diameter ratio > of about 71... Less than that; pressure ratio and are

Re: [ERPS] SPL News 27. January 2003, 2.5 kN (560lbs) LOX/Ethanol engine

2003-01-29 Thread ShadowMem
I suspect the weight would be prohibitive. Dan In a message dated 1/29/03 3:55:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << At 01:26 PM 1/29/2003 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >How do you plan to power said tank heater? Since even a 'long-burn' vehicle will still only run for a few minutes,

Re: [ERPS] SPL News 27. January 2003, 2.5 kN (560lbs) LOX/Ethanol engine

2003-01-29 Thread Pierce Nichols
At 01:26 PM 1/29/2003 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you plan to power said tank heater? Since even a 'long-burn' vehicle will still only run for a few minutes, a Ni-Cad pack or super cap should do the trick. -p Dan In a message dated 1/29/03 2:19:48 AM, [EMAIL PRO

Re: [ERPS] General liquids discussion on erps-list

2003-01-29 Thread Bruno Berger
Ok, I try... No, SPL is not the Swiss Space agency. We even don't get a cent from the government for funding yet. We are just a small experimental group of (mostly) engineers beeing fond of loud and fast vehicles. SPL is still a non-for-profit organization. We have a main sponsor, ARO TECHNOLOG

Re: [ERPS] Farewell from Mark Blair

2003-01-29 Thread Bruno Berger
Mark, Your leaving is probably a substantial loss for ERPS, but I feel AUSROC needs you too :-) Good luck and a good ride home! Bruno -- Bruno Berger Swiss Propulsion Laboratory E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW:http://www.spl.ch HAM:HB9RSU Mark Blair wrote: All ERPS Members, Well, my tim

Re: [ERPS] Re: Monatomic Hydrogen

2003-01-29 Thread Randall Clague
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:08:54 -0800, David Weinshenker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hmm... I presume those specific impulses should be "km/sec" rather than >"m/sec"? They seemed on the high side until I noted the expansion conditions >they were determined at: 1000 -> 0.2 psia, or 5000:1 pressure rat

Re: [ERPS] SPL News 27. January 2003, 2.5 kN (560lbs) LOX/Ethanol engine

2003-01-29 Thread John Carmack
At 02:24 AM 1/29/2003 -0800, you wrote: At 03:12 AM 1/29/2003 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, we may run into the same problems they have when using nitrous on cars, where a tank heater is required during long runs to keep the vapor pressure up. So, at sufficient flowrates, your 'vapor

Re: [ERPS] Farewell from Mark Blair

2003-01-29 Thread Randall Clague
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 09:50:41 -0800, "Mark Blair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Well, my time in the USA has now run out. I fly back to Sydney this afternoon > >It's been a pleasure working with you guys on the KISS series of rocket >vehicles. You missed your party last night. We had it at your pla

Re: [ERPS] General liquids discussion on erps-list

2003-01-29 Thread kevin bollinger
As the founder of the ERPS I thought I should mention that the ERPS was Chartered with doing RESEARCH in LIQUID ROCKET PROPULSION , not only Hydrogen Peroxide , and we are a 501C3 organization. I originally envisioned it as a clearing house for information,data and design information of all types

Re: [ERPS] SPL News 27. January 2003, 2.5 kN (560lbs) LOX/Ethanol engine

2003-01-29 Thread ShadowMem
How do you plan to power said tank heater? Dan In a message dated 1/29/03 2:19:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I'm aware of that. However, a tank heater with thermostat is a simpler and more rugged than a constant pressure system >> ___ ERPS-list

[ERPS] Address Change - Farewell from Mark Blair

2003-01-29 Thread Mark Blair
Sean or Michael, Can you please delete the ERPS list forward to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please leave the forward to the: [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I look forward to hearing how things progress. Regards, Mark Mark Blair wrote: > All ERPS Members, > > Well, my time in the USA has now run out. I fly

[ERPS] Farewell from Mark Blair

2003-01-29 Thread Mark Blair
All ERPS Members, Well, my time in the USA has now run out. I fly back to Sydney this afternoon It's been a pleasure working with you guys on the KISS series of rocket vehicles. I've enjoyed it very much - and I hope that I've been able to make a positive contribution to the organisation. Best

Re: [ERPS] General liquids discussion on erps-list

2003-01-29 Thread Alex Fraser
Now that everyone has decided (I think) that they may comment on the Swiss engine, does anyone have any comments on the test? Besides my original comment on how pretty their machining is and how nice it didn't warp, I must ask a non technical question. How do you manage to get so much beautiful

Re: [ERPS] SPL News 27. January 2003, 2.5 kN (560lbs) LOX/Ethanol engine

2003-01-29 Thread Pierce Nichols
At 03:12 AM 1/29/2003 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, we may run into the same problems they have when using nitrous on cars, where a tank heater is required during long runs to keep the vapor pressure up. So, at sufficient flowrates, your 'vapor pressure' is much lower than the steady

Re: [ERPS] SPL News 27. January 2003, 2.5 kN (560lbs) LOX/Ethanol engine

2003-01-29 Thread ShadowMem
However, we may run into the same problems they have when using nitrous on cars, where a tank heater is required during long runs to keep the vapor pressure up. So, at sufficient flowrates, your 'vapor pressure' is much lower than the steady state value. This may be OK if your fuel pressure can