[ERPS] Next Meeting ...

2004-06-12 Thread Michael Wallis
The next meeting of the Experimental Rocket Propulsion Society will be held this THURSDAY evening at the Bowers Denny's starting at 8:00pm. Items for meeting # (17 Jun 2004): ˆk - Admin Teams - Documentation - IT - Liaisons - Logistics - PAO -

[ERPS] Next Meeting ...

2004-06-12 Thread Michael Wallis
The next meeting of the Experimental Rocket Propulsion Society will be held this THURSDAY evening at the Bowers Denny's starting at 8:00pm. Items for meeting # (17 Jun 2004): ˆk - Admin Teams - Documentation - IT - Liaisons - Logistics - PAO -

[ERPS] Oops

2004-06-12 Thread Michael Wallis
Oops ... Sorry about the double announcement. I'm tinkering with the script. Michael -- Michael Wallis KF6SPF (408) 396-9037[EMAIL PROTECTED] And I keep praying that this faith we hold in common keeps

Re: [ERPS] Re: Multiple engines (was RE: Liquox)

2004-06-12 Thread Brandon Fosdick
Hans Ulrich Ammann wrote: But personally I think his main problem at the moment is not the choice of a appropriate arrangement but the fact that whatever system he is going to uses the engine, or engines have to work in a consistent and predictable way. A lot of this discussion seems to be driven

Re: [ERPS] Re: Multiple engines (was RE: Liquox)

2004-06-12 Thread Henry Spencer
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004, Brandon Fosdick wrote: A lot of this discussion seems to be driven by the unpredictability of the engines. Is this a characteristic of the chosen propellants? Would a different propellant combination be inherantly more (or less) predictable? It's a characteristic of the

[ERPS] Tip nozzle paradox

2004-06-12 Thread Ian Woollard
Whilst mulling over the mechanics of rocket tipped rotors I came up with the following paradox. Consider a low ISP rocket, say 20 seconds; mounted on an arm pivoting on a central spindle. The propellent enters the rocket along a tube up the central spindle, goes through a frictionless coupling

Re: [ERPS] Tip nozzle paradox

2004-06-12 Thread ShadowMem
The rocket, at each time step, has a certain momentum already. Additional fuel burned in the next time step will increase its momentum and so on until the fuel is depleted.In the absense of any drag, the rocket will keep accelerating as long as thrust is being made. If drag is larger than

Re: [ERPS] Tip nozzle paradox

2004-06-12 Thread roger gregory
The thrust is just sufficient to pump the propellant to the exhaust velocity. So that's not the answer. However the energy imparted to the fuel is same as in the exhaust (the same v after all) and thus the temperature of the reaction is pushed higher and the fuel is more disassociated. The

Re[2]: [ERPS] Re: Multiple engines (was RE: Liquox)

2004-06-12 Thread Hans Ulrich Ammann
Brandon Fosdick wrote: BF Hans Ulrich Ammann wrote: But personally I think his main problem at the moment is not the choice of a appropriate arrangement but the fact that whatever system he is going to uses the engine, or engines have to work in a consistent and predictable way. BF A lot of

[ERPS] Re: Tip nozzle paradox

2004-06-12 Thread Stump
roger gregory roger at halfwaytoanywhere.com writes: The thrust is just sufficient to pump the propellant to the exhaust velocity. So that's not the answer. However the energy imparted to the fuel is same as in the exhaust (the same v after all) and thus the temperature of the reaction is

Re: [ERPS] Re: Tip nozzle paradox

2004-06-12 Thread roger gregory
On Sat, 2004-06-12 at 18:32, Stump wrote: roger gregory roger at halfwaytoanywhere.com writes: The thrust is just sufficient to pump the propellant to the exhaust velocity. So that's not the answer. However the energy imparted to the fuel is same as in the exhaust (the same v after

[ERPS] Re: Tip nozzle paradox

2004-06-12 Thread Stump
snip Consider a rocket, say 200 seconds; mounted on an arm pivoting on a central spindle. The propellant enters the rocket along a tube up the central spindle, goes through a frictionless coupling and then follows the tube along to the rocket tip. The energy imparted to the fuel by the