Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-29 Thread Andreas Rossberg
On 19 June 2015 at 23:04, Axel Rauschmayer a...@rauschma.de wrote: http://discourse.specifiction.org/t/upcoming-migration/805 Would it make sense to move es-discuss to that upcoming site? I’m not particularly fond of mailing lists and much prefer forums, especially discourse-based ones.

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-23 Thread Russell Leggett
If not, does Discourse support email as a first-class subscription mechanism? That (plus mute) might help. I haven't used discourse a ton, but according to the features page: http://www.discourse.org/about/ They support email notifications and replies, as well as an opt in mailing list

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-23 Thread Jonathan Kingston
Yup the ability to subscribe to categories, ignore users and mute threads. Along with the ability to set digest periods. Here are all the options I get in preferences: Along with the ability to mute each thread too. On 23 June 2015 at 02:17, Brendan Eich bren...@mozilla.org wrote: Allen

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-23 Thread Brendan Eich
Jonathan Kingston wrote: (I don't think any such es-discuss replacement should be on webplatform.org http://webplatform.org/, FWIW -- that crosses the W3C and Ecma streams.) Is that such an issue? I was thinking the larger exposure and closer working would be a bigger benefit than the mail

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-23 Thread Allen Wirfs-Brock
On Jun 23, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Brendan Eich bren...@mozilla.org wrote: Jonathan Kingston wrote: (I don't think any such es-discuss replacement should be on webplatform.org http://webplatform.org/, FWIW -- that crosses the W3C and Ecma streams.) Is that such an issue? I was thinking the

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-23 Thread Axel Rauschmayer
OTOH I know people (dherman, cough) who can't hack the email load of es-discuss, and do not like the well-known email tendency to have threads run off the rails into endless digression and argumentation. But Arv's point about gmail mute feature is good. I think any competent email reader

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-23 Thread Brendan Eich
Let's talk about this at July's TC39 meeting. Maybe we can have best of both worlds, thanks to Discourse. (I don't think any such es-discuss replacement should be on webplatform.org, FWIW -- that crosses the W3C and Ecma streams.) Having two es-dis{cuss,course} list-like things is not great.

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-23 Thread Jonathan Kingston
(I don't think any such es-discuss replacement should be on webplatform.org, FWIW -- that crosses the W3C and Ecma streams.) Is that such an issue? I was thinking the larger exposure and closer working would be a bigger benefit than the mail management options. On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:10 PM

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-23 Thread Brendan Eich
Axel Rauschmayer wrote: My biggest concern is that you can’t be selective in your consumption of es-discuss: It’s all or nothing (even if you only want to participate occasionally). The volume is daunting, esp. with a mobile device. Long ago we had USENET and NNTP to help avoid having to

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-23 Thread Brendan Eich
Allen Wirfs-Brock wrote: Or perhaps ecaa could host. Ecma? HAHAHAHA! Ahem. Sorry. Judging from the IT outsourcing our people in Geneva do, I can only say: nope! Am I being unfair? Their Francs are as gold/green/orange/etc. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknotes_of_the_Swiss_franc) as

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-22 Thread Allen Wirfs-Brock
On Jun 22, 2015, at 12:51 PM, C. Scott Ananian ecmascr...@cscott.net wrote: It's not too surprising: it's the same reason why the ES6 spec was just published *on paper*, with the html version being explicitly flagged as non-normative. Actually the above is not correct. Both the HTML

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-22 Thread Brendan Eich
Allen Wirfs-Brock wrote: On Jun 22, 2015, at 12:51 PM, C. Scott Ananian ecmascr...@cscott.net mailto:ecmascr...@cscott.net wrote: It's not too surprising: it's the same reason why the ES6 spec was just published *on paper*, with the html version being explicitly flagged as non-normative.

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-22 Thread Alan Schmitt
On 2015-06-20 16:14, Eric B neuros...@gmail.com writes: The main problem I have with mailing lists is that, unless I'm mistaken, I cannot unsubscribe from specific threads. As an example, The Tragedy of the Common Lisp, or, Why Large Languages Explode is now 33 replies deep and I really don't

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-22 Thread Russell Leggett
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 5:21 PM, // ravi ravi-li...@g8o.net wrote: On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:12 PM, C. Scott Ananian ecmascr...@cscott.net wrote: No, thank you.​ Email clients are the ultimate forum aggregators. +1 on “No, thank you. Email works, email has are full-featured clients, do

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-22 Thread // ravi
On Jun 22, 2015, at 3:22 PM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 5:21 PM, // ravi ravi-li...@g8o.net wrote: On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:12 PM, C. Scott Ananian ecmascr...@cscott.net wrote: No, thank you.​ Email clients are the ultimate forum aggregators.

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
It's not too surprising: it's the same reason why the ES6 spec was just published *on paper*, with the html version being explicitly flagged as non-normative. For standards work, having a reliable substrate is important. It is not the TC's job to innovate on or experiment with collaboration

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-22 Thread Erik Arvidsson
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:44 AM Alan Schmitt alan.schm...@polytechnique.org wrote: ...other email clients may also have this feature. And you can mute whole threads in Gmail (and Inbox). https://support.google.com/mail/answer/47787?hl=en ___

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-20 Thread Herby Vojčík
C. Scott Ananian wrote: No, thank you.​ +1 Email clients are the ultimate forum aggregators. --scott ___ es-discuss mailing list es-discuss@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es-discuss

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-20 Thread Axel Rauschmayer
I'm with Scott. Regardless, this conversation is a non-starter. I started it, because I care about es-discuss. More information would be nice as to why it is a non-starter. -- Dr. Axel Rauschmayer a...@rauschma.de rauschma.de ___ es-discuss

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-20 Thread Greg McLeod
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Axel Rauschmayer a...@rauschma.de wrote: http://discourse.specifiction.org/t/upcoming-migration/805 Would it make sense to move es-discuss to that upcoming site? I’m not particularly fond of mailing lists and much prefer forums, especially discourse-based

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-20 Thread Eric B
The main problem I have with mailing lists is that, unless I'm mistaken, I cannot unsubscribe from specific threads. As an example, The Tragedy of the Common Lisp, or, Why Large Languages Explode is now 33 replies deep and I really don't care about it at all and would rather not get spammed by

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-20 Thread Jordan Harband
http://es-discourse.com already exists as an alternative place to discuss things if one doesn't wish to email this list. It may be worth exploring using that more fully before asking TC39 to consider an alternative to their existing mailing list. On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 7:14 AM, Eric B

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-19 Thread Edwin Reynoso
The only thing I don't like is the fact it's mixed with what's on discourse.specifiction.org. I post more on discourse.specifiction.org than on ES-Discuss, meaning I'm more comfortable bothering the people with my ideas there than on ES-Discuss. Plainly because it's not always ES related.

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-19 Thread // ravi
On Jun 19, 2015, at 5:12 PM, C. Scott Ananian ecmascr...@cscott.net wrote: No, thank you.​ Email clients are the ultimate forum aggregators. +1 on “No, thank you. Email works, email has are full-featured clients, do not force browser use, etc, etc. —ravi --scott

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-19 Thread Edwin Reynoso
OMG Yes please!!! On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Axel Rauschmayer a...@rauschma.de wrote: http://discourse.specifiction.org/t/upcoming-migration/805 Would it make sense to move es-discuss to that upcoming site? I’m not particularly fond of mailing lists and much prefer forums, especially

Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-19 Thread Axel Rauschmayer
http://discourse.specifiction.org/t/upcoming-migration/805 http://discourse.specifiction.org/t/upcoming-migration/805 Would it make sense to move es-discuss to that upcoming site? I’m not particularly fond of mailing lists and much prefer forums, especially discourse-based ones. -- Dr. Axel

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-19 Thread C. Scott Ananian
No, thank you.​ Email clients are the ultimate forum aggregators. --scott ___ es-discuss mailing list es-discuss@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es-discuss

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-19 Thread Matthew Robb
Yes, please. Also if like to take issue with everyone who prefers email clients for the following reason: it's easier to allow people who want to keep using email to do so while enabling a richer and more aggressive experience for those who want it than it is the other way around On Jun 19, 2015

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-19 Thread Jonathan Kingston
Discourse has the options to keep the same level of email reporting, daily aggregation and allowing for responses via mail. I'm not sure I see the need for a new category there either, there are already: - JS - asm.js - APIs - Architecture There are a fair few structured conversations there that

Re: Move es-discuss to discuss.webplatform.org?

2015-06-19 Thread Rick Waldron
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 5:12 PM C. Scott Ananian ecmascr...@cscott.net wrote: No, thank you.​ Email clients are the ultimate forum aggregators. I'm with Scott. Regardless, this conversation is a non-starter. Rick ___ es-discuss mailing list