Re: Standardizing console APIs: Where?

2013-02-27 Thread Thaddee Tyl
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:55 PM, François REMY wrote: >> In browsers, when logging an object, you can actually click on an arrow >> to browse through all its properties. >> Serializing the whole thing on every single console.log, when those >> happen in a loop, >> would make the debugging experien

RE: Standardizing console APIs: Where?

2013-02-27 Thread François REMY
> The script engine does not relate to clicking on things -- that > happens in a browser. So do you feel that script engines must ship > with a console? Or does that apply to web browsers? And if so, why? As Brian said, the UI itself should not be defined in the spec. However, I feel like the obj

Re: Standardizing console APIs: Where?

2013-02-27 Thread Brian Kardell
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:55 PM, François REMY < francois.remy@outlook.com> wrote: > > In browsers, when logging an object, you can actually click on an arrow > > to browse through all its properties. > > Serializing the whole thing on every single console.log, when those > > happen in a loop,

RE: Standardizing console APIs: Where?

2013-02-27 Thread François REMY
> In browsers, when logging an object, you can actually click on an arrow > to browse through all its properties. > Serializing the whole thing on every single console.log, when those > happen in a loop, > would make the debugging experience a nightmare, performance-wise. True but we may expect th

Re: Standardizing console APIs: Where?

2013-02-27 Thread Thaddee Tyl
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Brian Kardell wrote: > On 26/02/2013 23:06 , Brian Kardell wrote: >> >> 1. Does anyone else feel like we _should_ have a standard > > > I think that this thread has shown that there are interoperability issues. > Given that this is a debugging tool, you really want

Fwd: Standardizing console APIs: Where?

2013-02-27 Thread Brian Kardell
Berjon Date: Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:35 AM Subject: Re: Standardizing console APIs: Where? To: Brian Kardell Cc: "public-script-co...@w3.org" On 26/02/2013 23:06 , Brian Kardell wrote: > 1. Does anyone else feel like we _should_ have a standard > I think that this thread has

Re: Standardizing console APIs: Where?

2013-02-25 Thread Clint Hill
I maybe missing what you're saying. But I went to the link you supplied and that is for the Command Line API. Further it seems to be specific to Firebug (which doesn't IMO sound like a place to hang a standard like this). I did however find https://getfirebug.com/wiki/index.php/Console_API to which

Re: Standardizing console APIs: Where?

2013-02-25 Thread Brian Kardell
I must admit i am a bit surprised that anyone would appear to be opposed to formalizing something through one of the two groups... It seems to me the goal of all of these other groups here is to pick up something that is lacking and people wish that we had a standard for. Regardless of history or

Re: Standardizing console APIs: Where?

2013-02-25 Thread Marcos Caceres
On Monday, 25 February 2013 at 10:50, Thaddee Tyl wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Rick Waldron (mailto:waldron.r...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Brian Kardell > (mailto:bkard...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > > > Recently I read a post about Chrome adding

Re: Standardizing console APIs: Where?

2013-02-25 Thread Thaddee Tyl
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Rick Waldron wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Brian Kardell wrote: >> >> Recently I read a post about Chrome adding a console.table API which >> mentioned some things in other browsers. My immediate reaction was "is this >> a new proposal for addition t

Re: Standardizing console APIs: Where?

2013-02-22 Thread Rick Waldron
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Brian Kardell wrote: > Recently I read a post about Chrome adding a console.table API which > mentioned some things in other browsers. My immediate reaction was "is > this a new proposal for addition to console standard API, because that > could be pretty handy

Standardizing console APIs: Where?

2013-02-22 Thread Brian Kardell
Recently I read a post about Chrome adding a console.table API which mentioned some things in other browsers. My immediate reaction was "is this a new proposal for addition to console standard API, because that could be pretty handy actually" but then after a moments pause and about an hour search