[EUG-LUG:282] Re: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread kg7fu
On Tuesday 27 November 2001 11:16, you wrote: > I'll second it. I would be GLAD to retire and become Past President. > (grin) > > KBob is my first choice in fact Ok, since Justin and Seth have seconded my motion, I move to vote on the officers. Further, I move to count "Nay" votes only and

[EUG-LUG:281] RE: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizatio nal meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Kahli Burke
kg7fu wrote: >Shaddap or I'll smack you around. > >People make mistakes and people are assholes...I made a mistake >and you are quickly going to be filed in the asshole column. > > - jk > I am not sure if I should even respond to this because it is too easy to escalate these threads. I will, an

[EUG-LUG:280] RE: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizatio nal meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Mr O
Do I get to be an asshole too? I've always thought I'd be a great asshole. I really want to be a hacker when I grow up but I'll settle for being an asshole for now. Hope none of you other assholes have taken offense to my extensive use of the word asshole. It's not like we don't all have an ass

[EUG-LUG:279] RE: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizatio nal meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Justin Bengtson
kg7fu wrote: > Shaddap or I'll smack you around. > > People make mistakes and people are assholes...I made a mistake > and you are quickly going to be filed in the asshole column. i appologize. it's funny though, that's the same thing i thought about you when i saw that somewhat scathing mes

[EUG-LUG:278] RE: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizatio nal meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread kg7fu
Shaddap or I'll smack you around. People make mistakes and people are assholes...I made a mistake and you are quickly going to be filed in the asshole column. - jk On Tuesday 27 November 2001 11:00, you wrote: > are you going to second the motion yourself? or keep mailing this to the > list e

[EUG-LUG:277] Re: say it ain't so

2001-11-27 Thread Seth Cohn
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-7996444.html?tag=lthd > > AT&T gets their @home from Excite, right? Does this mean that all of > us @home subscribers might have dead cable lines Friday? Yow! No, I got a snail mail from AT&T, promising that service would continue... they would have to cha

[EUG-LUG:276] Value Systems (was Cannabis as fuel (was Finding Good Stuff (was: Fry's)))

2001-11-27 Thread Dexter Graphic
[Note: With half the conversation happening on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and half on [EMAIL PROTECTED] it requires posting to both lists until everyone moves their responses from one list to the other. In case you don't yet know how to subscribe to the activism list, here's how: just send a blank mess

[EUG-LUG:275] Re: Presidents

2001-11-27 Thread Mr O
Can I be the rebel president?? If so, where can I get an intern? :-) On Tuesday 27 November 2001 01:57 pm, you wrote: > I vote that we all are "president" of the LUG! There is not "job > description" so if we do need one president, then we should clarify the > duties of the position. > > Jamie _

[EUG-LUG:274] Re: say it ain't so

2001-11-27 Thread Bob Crandell
Ok. I'm sold. Sign me up. The phone number to use for this is 463-1627. A QWorst tech I spoke with said the hardware is in place they are just waiting for FCC approval to activate it. Patrick R. Wade ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 05:57:30PM -0800, Christopher Allen wr

[EUG-LUG:273] Re: say it ain't so

2001-11-27 Thread Patrick R. Wade
On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 05:57:30PM -0800, Christopher Allen wrote: > >On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Rob Hudson wrote: > >> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-7996444.html?tag=lthd >> >> AT&T gets their @home from Excite, right? Does this mean that all of >> us @home subscribers might have dead cable li

[EUG-LUG:272] Re: Nuclear power

2001-11-27 Thread Jim Darrough
Dear Everyone. Chris made some very good comments. He caught me on the breeder reactor (didn't think before hitting "send" key) and did the math on the solar stuff very well. I don't know Chris' backround either, but sure thought his reply was well thought out and germane. Althou

[EUG-LUG:271] RE: Cannabis as fuel (was Finding Good Stuff(was:Fry's))

2001-11-27 Thread Jim Darrough
On Tue, 2001-11-27 at 01:48, Jacob Meuser wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:07:52PM -0800, Jim Darrough wrote: > > > > Hmmm. Jobs=money=economic growth. > > Isn't our economy a complete farce? How much do we owe? When are > we paying that back? > I don't feel that way. > Where are these m

[EUG-LUG:270] Re: derned emails keep coming!!

2001-11-27 Thread Linux Rocks !
[EMAIL PROTECTED] run on ListProcessor(tm), version 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Revision level: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 Last update: 990901/11:28 Manager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ListProcessor(tm) address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Port: bsdi-4-0 It has a web based interface, email interface (thats

[EUG-LUG:269] Re: say it ain't so

2001-11-27 Thread Christopher Allen
On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Rob Hudson wrote: > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-7996444.html?tag=lthd > > AT&T gets their @home from Excite, right? Does this mean that all of > us @home subscribers might have dead cable lines Friday? Yow! That's what it looks like. What contingency plans do eug

[EUG-LUG:268] Re: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Linux Rocks !
We still dont have email groups.. we had newsgroups and the meeting at Allan brothers was over a year after the news group... maybe 2... I was there for that meeting.. I remember we discussed where to have the meetings... since outside allan bros was sucky and uninviting... we discussed oth

[EUG-LUG:267] Re: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Patrick R. Wade
On Tue, Nov 27, 2001 at 02:15:50PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >Yup. Long ago before that. We didn't even HAVE email groups then. I think >we met at Allan Brothers the first time, right James? That's my memory... -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little tempor

[EUG-LUG:266] say it ain't so

2001-11-27 Thread Rob Hudson
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-7996444.html?tag=lthd AT&T gets their @home from Excite, right? Does this mean that all of us @home subscribers might have dead cable lines Friday? Yow! -- Rob my @euglugCode = qw(v+++ e--- eug+ bsd+++ gnu+ S+++);

[EUG-LUG:265] Re: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Ralph Zeller
Ed, There was a well-attended meeting in June (or so) of 1998 at Allan Bros. Kaplan advertised it well, I even saw a post to comp.os.linux.announce. Before that, the meetings were very hit and miss. Someone (James?) collected names and emails at that meeting, but they were never posted anywhere

[EUG-LUG:264] RE: BadTrans

2001-11-27 Thread Christopher Allen
Just FYI. -Chris -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:56:05 -0800 (PST) From: Milton Takei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Listowners listserv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Stripping attachments To the listowners list: Does anybody on thi

[EUG-LUG:263] Re: derned emails keep coming!!

2001-11-27 Thread Seth Cohn
Different mailing lists on different servers, using different programs I don't have activism or most of the other lists set to reply-to list because while it's commonplace, it's actaully a bad idea (for many reasons...) Personally, I'd love to drop ezmlm from euglug.net, whatever efn uses (m

[EUG-LUG:262] Re: Location for Organizational Meeting - This Thursday

2001-11-27 Thread Edward Craig
See you Thursday at Stan's if nobody comes up with a better idea. On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, Seth Cohn wrote: > Stan's. > > It works, it's simple, he's offered it to us. For a discussion meeting it's > fine, and I don't expect we will meet for too long, or have too many people. > (if so, we'

[EUG-LUG:261] Re: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizationalmeeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Edward Craig
Summer, 98? I'd just come to the realisation that I couldn't afford both Windows 95, a new hard drive, and rent. Late summer, after a Linux Showcase, where S.u.S.E. (before they dropped the dots) distributed free CD's with their brand new 5.2 release, a copy of one of which I acquired and

[EUG-LUG:260] Re: derned emails keep coming!!

2001-11-27 Thread Ben Barrett
As a technical aside, (and I haven't paid any mind to KMail in particular, which you seem to be using, jk) I've been using mozilla mail (ya, the new 0.9.6 release now) and in the message filters, one of the filter options is "To: or Cc:" instead of the default "Cc:", but of course there's also

[EUG-LUG:259] Re: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Ben Barrett
I think my first euglug mtg was also at Allan Bro's, the one on 5th... but that was in maybe '98 or early '99? I thin the group was being "reinvented" again after a dead spell. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote >>Yup. Long ago before that. We didn't even HAVE email groups then. I think >>we met at Allan

[EUG-LUG:258] Location for Organizational Meeting - This Thursday

2001-11-27 Thread Seth Cohn
Stan's. It works, it's simple, he's offered it to us. For a discussion meeting it's fine, and I don't expect we will meet for too long, or have too many people. (if so, we'll deal with that event...) Thurs 6PM, at Stan's. Any problems with that?

[EUG-LUG:257] Re: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread jed
> On Tuesday 27 November 2001 10:34, you wrote: > > Bit 'o history > > > > When Darrough and Kaplan resurrected the Eugene Linux > > Users Group, Kaplan became de facto president and El Jeffe. > Im a bit unlcear here... I dont remeber this... and I started the news group > back in 95 or 96..

[EUG-LUG:256] Re: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Linux Rocks !
On Tuesday 27 November 2001 10:34, you wrote: > Bit 'o history > > When Darrough and Kaplan resurrected the Eugene Linux > Users Group, Kaplan became de facto president and El Jeffe. Im a bit unlcear here... I dont remeber this... and I started the news group back in 95 or 96... was this befo

[EUG-LUG:255] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Justin Bengtson
and every other position "beneath" the president as well. perhaps that's what we need to do this thursday is figure out just how serious we want to get with the LUG and the organization thereof... > -Original Message- > From: Linux Rocks ! [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, Nove

[EUG-LUG:254] Re: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Linux Rocks !
Whats the job description? maybe Ill apply... I seem to have the time for it.. I do like the idea of all of us being presidents though... its sooo anarchisiticly irrisistable (sorry about the spelling ) Jamie On Tuesday 27 November 2001 11:16, you wrote: > I'll second it. I would be GLAD

[EUG-LUG:253] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Linux Rocks !
I vote that we all are "president" of the LUG! There is not "job description" so if we do need one president, then we should clarify the duties of the position. Jamie On Tuesday 27 November 2001 03:14, you wrote: > OK, so it's Tuesday morning, and no signs yet of a consensus on > where the org

[EUG-LUG:252] Sell Out: Blocking an Open Net

2001-11-27 Thread Dexter Graphic
Sell Out: Blocking an Open Net Posted by JonKatz on Tuesday November 27, @10:46AM http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/11/20/1651259 >From the corporatism:-peddle-censorship-for-cash dept. Globalism ought to be a counterforce, democratizing the world and spreading technological and economic

[EUG-LUG:251] Re: ppp0 <-> eth0 conflict? //Re: RE: Cannafuel

2001-11-27 Thread Horst Lueck
Bob, that was a good lead. However, ifcfg-eth0 was not the file that contained the gateway default; a recursive grep through the entire /etc/ listed about 5 or 6 files using 'that' IP (not counting the linuxconf archives). It almost looked like draknet and linuxconf duplicated efforts to manage t

[EUG-LUG:250] Re: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Seth Cohn
I'll second it. I would be GLAD to retire and become Past President. (grin) KBob is my first choice in fact As for: > but this business of "Seth is the > best guy for all jobs" is bunk. I have pretty much being saying that myself for a while... and said so to Jim Darrough last night in fac

[EUG-LUG:249] RE: ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Justin Bengtson
are you going to second the motion yourself? or keep mailing this to the list every five minutes? as you ask us to not cc activism, i ask that you do not repeat yourself eighty billion times. we have the message. > -Original Message- > From: kg7fu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tue

[EUG-LUG:248] ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread kg7fu
Bit 'o history When Darrough and Kaplan resurrected the Eugene Linux Users Group, Kaplan became de facto president and El Jeffe. Cohn, in a bloodless coup, stole the tri-corner newspaper cap and imaginary gavel (Only Kaplan posseses the REAL gavel deal). In fact, it was an e-mail SNAFU by w

[EUG-LUG:247] ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread kg7fu
Bit 'o history When Darrough and Kaplan resurrected the Eugene Linux Users Group, Kaplan became de facto president and El Jeffe. Cohn, in a bloodless coup, stole the tri-corner newspaper cap and imaginary gavel (Only Kaplan posseses the REAL gavel deal). In fact, it was an e-mail SNAFU by wh

[EUG-LUG:246] Re: s.efn.org

2001-11-27 Thread kg7fu
Horsehockey. I've seen wonderful impressionist artwork by autistic individuals, magnificent sculptures by the mentally retarded and just gawd awful crap from university spawned "geniuses" and wet-behind the ear rich kids with no imagination other than where to hide the needle marks. Art requ

[EUG-LUG:245] Re: Nuclear power

2001-11-27 Thread kg7fu
Here's a guy, Chris Allen, whose credibility is in question. Unless he can tell me why he's arguing nuclear physics with a gentleman (Mr. Darrough) who works 6 with a reactor and has more experience and military training than Mr. Allen has years on earth (probably). And the lamer statement:

[EUG-LUG:244] ORDER! [WAS EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread kg7fu
Bit 'o history When Darrough and Kaplan resurrected the Eugene Linux Users Group, Kaplan became de facto president and El Jeffe. Cohn, in a bloodless coup, stole the tri-corner newspaper cap and imaginary gavel (Only Kaplan posseses the REAL gavel deal). In fact, it was an e-mail SNAFU by wh

[EUG-LUG:243] BadTrans

2001-11-27 Thread Christopher Maujean
I've received 5 badtrans infected mails so far in the last 24 hours. You can spot this new variant _before_ your users open it via the _ that is prepended to the from: email address. -- Christopher Maujean IT Director, Premierelink Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.premierelink.com/ 5

[EUG-LUG:242] Re: Jamie

2001-11-27 Thread kg7fu
On Monday 26 November 2001 20:59, Smokin Jamie wrote: > Who wants to write RFC-KG7FU ? > > Jamie KG7FU is non-GPL-able _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

[EUG-LUG:241] Re: ppp0 <-> eth0 conflict? //Re: RE: Cannafuel

2001-11-27 Thread Bob Miller
Horst Lueck wrote: > Bob, thanks for explaining in detail WHAT is going on before suggesting > HOW to fix it! Welcome. > When I began to educate myself about how to add/del entries in the > routing table, I realized that the modem user has to be root in > order to do this (not very elegant - ru

[EUG-LUG:240] Re: Jamie

2001-11-27 Thread Bob Crandell
Boo Hoo. I'm found out. Not The Other White Bob ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >Your just jelous that nobody's posing as you... > >On Monday 26 November 2001 21:24, Bob Crandell wrote: >> Me thinks he complains too much. >> >> Linux Rocks ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> >While were on the topic o

[EUG-LUG:239] Re: EUGLUG organizational meeting NEXT Thursday (11/29)

2001-11-27 Thread Edward Craig
OK, so it's Tuesday morning, and no signs yet of a consensus on where the organisational meeting will be. I can't say why noticing that [EMAIL PROTECTED] subscriptions approach a hundred makes me sure we need a bit of organisation, but there we are. The second officer we need to a

[EUG-LUG:238] RE: Cannabis as fuel (was Finding Good Stuff(was: Fry's))

2001-11-27 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:07:52PM -0800, Jim Darrough wrote: > > Hmmm. Jobs=money=economic growth. Isn't our economy a complete farce? How much do we owe? When are we paying that back? Where are these mines? Even if noone lives there, is that not an irreplacable resource (the fact that it i

[EUG-LUG:237] Re: ppp0 <-> eth0 conflict? //Re: RE: Cannafuel

2001-11-27 Thread Horst Lueck
Bob, thanks for explaining in detail WHAT is going on before suggesting HOW to fix it! 'route' seems to reveal the problem -- I have 3 clips attached (plus 2 from 'routetrace'). Interestingly, while pppd is running, a restart of eth0 shows: "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" My kppp 2.4.1 was se