Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread Neil Parker
Allen Brown wrote, >Emacs has built in help. Vi doesn't. Actually, that's not true anymore. "Classic vi" had no built-in help, but vim and elvis both do--you can access it by typing ":help". - Neil Parker ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread larry price
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:22:41 -0800, Bob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Completely disable emacs's language-specific modes by putting this > in your ~/.emacs . > > (setq auto-mode-alist ()) Bleah! My own personal .emacs file has 4 or five lines adding to auto-mode-alist (depending o

Re: [Eug-lug] crack a Mac

2005-01-23 Thread Mr O
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Re: [Eug-lug] crack a Mac

2005-01-23 Thread Mr O
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[Eug-lug] mounting old Mac floppy

2005-01-23 Thread horst
I try to extract some files from a Mac floppy that's about 7 years old. It says 1.4MB , and I can 'dd if=/dev/fd0 ...' --I can roughly see the stuff I want in the 1.4MB dump, but it's a mess. I tried to mount using several /dev/fd* but always bumped out not knowing the type (-t) . I looked at

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread Bob Miller
Jacob Meuser wrote: > On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 02:12:21PM -0800, Allen Brown wrote: > > > Emacs and vi are also not word processors since they don't really > > support fonts. But they are programming environments. If you > > will be programming it makes sense to get an editor that supports > > y

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread Bob Miller
Jamie wrote: > clearly pico/nano are simple text editors, not fancy programming > environments or word processors.. just a simple text editor. Yes. That's a virtue not to be overlooked. Each of us has limited time to commit to learning new systems, so we ought to focus on those that will actual

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 04:09:54PM -0800, John Sechrest wrote: > So.. you would choose to learn an editor that was complex because > it had the ability to give you leverage. Both VI and Emacs > support automation at one level or another. > > Nano/pico/whatever don't. which is why I use mg.

Re: [Eug-lug] Re: Wrapping

2005-01-23 Thread John Sechrest
Specifically, to work out what larry is saying, let's go thru a example that I have often used. Suppose that I want to have a network service that creates fortune quotes. Everytime I connect to the port, I get a new quote. There already exists a program that generates quotes, it is called for

Re: [Eug-lug] Re: Wrapping

2005-01-23 Thread larry price
Jeff is asking about a program called inetd which handles access control for network connections to local programs, it's useful if you have a local program which for some reason needs to be network accessible. in other words it's used to "wrap" tcp connections in a layer of security and access con

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread John Sechrest
Jacob Meuser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: % On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 03:41:41PM -0800, Allen Brown wrote: % > > I don't like emacs because it tries to format my code for me. I % > > condsider that unsupportive, and actually kinda rude. % > Like all things, it is configurable. You can eithe

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread Linux Rocks!
Nice... I like it. Ive only used it once, guess how? Jamie On Sunday 23 January 2005 03:57 pm, Jacob Meuser wrote: : On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 11:12:25PM +, walter fry wrote: : > What means RSI ? : : look for a simple program called wtf. -- The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 11:12:25PM +, walter fry wrote: > What means RSI ? look for a simple program called wtf. -- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ EUGLUG mailing list euglug@euglug.org http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 03:41:41PM -0800, Allen Brown wrote: > > I don't like emacs because it tries to format my code for me. I > > condsider that unsupportive, and actually kinda rude. > > Like all things, it is configurable. You can either set the > configuration so that it formats to your s

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread Allen Brown
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005, Jacob Meuser wrote: > On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 02:12:21PM -0800, Allen Brown wrote: > > > Emacs and vi are also not word processors since they don't really > > support fonts. But they are programming environments. If you > > will be programming it makes sense to get an edito

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread Allen Brown
RSI = Repetetive Stress Injury Basically he is saying that if you use emacs you will get carpal tunnel and if you use another editor you won't. It's pure bullshit. Any editor can give you RSI. I've been using emacs continuously since about 1980. I know folks who got RSI without using emacs. YM

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 02:12:21PM -0800, Allen Brown wrote: > Emacs and vi are also not word processors since they don't really > support fonts. But they are programming environments. If you > will be programming it makes sense to get an editor that supports > you in that. I don't like emacs b

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread walter fry
What means RSI ? From: "T. Joseph CARTER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group To: larry price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:01:31 -0800 On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 10:53:40AM -08

[Eug-lug] Re: Wrapping

2005-01-23 Thread walter fry
newbe walter here.. What means wraping ? please From: Bob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group To: Jeff_W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] Wrapping for Access Control> > Anyways, is there some easy way of "wrapping" PYG for use w/ TCP > Wrappers

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread Allen Brown
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005, Jamie wrote: > On Sunday 23 January 2005 08:42 am, Allen Brown wrote: > : On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, Bob Miller wrote: > : > Jacob Meuser wrote: > : > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 01:01:14PM -0800, Max Lemieux wrote: > : > > > Agreed, vi seems to be the universally present editor. >

[Eug-lug] Ubuntu LiveCD DOA

2005-01-23 Thread Jeff_W
I received 10 of these in the mail the other day and thought I'd give the LiveCD a spin. No go: it appears to detect firewire where there is none and can not start X even in FAILSAFE mode. I bumped around in the help menu (F1 at bootup; be fast!) and tried several options - including some of the Mo

Re: [Eug-lug] mac-mini mac-slack-ub-lin meeting

2005-01-23 Thread Mr O
The biggest laptop drives available are only 100GB and I'm not sure those are available in 7200RPM. As for running the mini off an external hard drive it begins to defeat the purpose of such a small wonder. --- Bob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > perdurabo wrote: > > > What are you? Some

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread Jamie
On Sunday 23 January 2005 08:42 am, Allen Brown wrote: : On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, Bob Miller wrote: : > Jacob Meuser wrote: : > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 01:01:14PM -0800, Max Lemieux wrote: : > > > Agreed, vi seems to be the universally present editor. : > > : > > ed is the universal editor. : > : > N

Re: [Eug-lug] mac-mini mac-slack-ub-lin meeting

2005-01-23 Thread perdurabo
Yep as will all Macs. I run *cough nothing to see here* Tiger *cough* off an external HD and it runs just fine. On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:23:24 -0800, Bob Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will the Mac Mini boot off an external drive? ___ EUGLUG mailing

Re: [Eug-lug] Bandwidth limiting for apache2?

2005-01-23 Thread Allen Brown
I think I read an article in Linux Journal about the Linux Firewall introduced in 2.4 that talked about doing this. I think doing this at the firewall level would be the best approach because it would have lower overhead than any other approach. -- Allen Brown work: Agilent Technologies non

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread Allen Brown
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, Bob Miller wrote: > Jacob Meuser wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2005 at 01:01:14PM -0800, Max Lemieux wrote: > > > Agreed, vi seems to be the universally present editor. > > > > ed is the universal editor. > > No, ed is the STANDARD text editor. > http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes

Re: [Eug-lug] Computer time

2005-01-23 Thread Bob Miller
Neil Parker wrote: > By the way, if you've ever used any full-screen software on the text > screen (or xterm/konsole/gnome-terminal window), chances are it does its > full-screen stuff by using the "curses" library. Well, apparently the > original version of the curses library was also written by

Re: [Eug-lug] Wrapping for Access Control

2005-01-23 Thread Bob Miller
Jeff_W wrote: > Yeah, I found something in the gopher list archives from the author > stating that there was no built-in inetd/xnetd support. I'm curious > if there is a python module or flag that might change the character > of a program so as to allow invocation via inetd. John Goerzen, > PYG's

Re: [Eug-lug] Wrapping for Access Control

2005-01-23 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sat, Jan 22, 2005 at 11:30:00PM -0800, Jeff_W wrote: > Hey Neil - thanks for the concise inetd explaination. I > don't really care about using inetd so much as having the > host access control provided by TCP Wrappers; it just seems > that TCPW is married to inetd (with the exception of sshd >

Re: [Eug-lug] mac-mini mac-slack-ub-lin meeting

2005-01-23 Thread Bob Miller
perdurabo wrote: > What are you? Some sicko? Us Mac fanboys use firewire and USB2... > crack a case? psshhh! Will the Mac Mini boot off an external drive? -- Bob Miller K kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]