e problem in another way.
Again, there's a placeholder list, and Joe can easily move all participants
from there to polymathy.
There's no reason why participants here should not subscribe to the new list,
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f you'll
do the math).
> In my opinion the paranoia over the interaction of alien races is a
> wasted effort.
Absolutely. If they'd passed here, we'd never happened. If they'd pass right
now (probability: zero), we'd be dead. A few more years, and we'll
me in person (=send self-rep
automation).
> not going to happen any time soon. SETI at least offers us some chance of
What's "soon", in your time frame? Century, half a century?
> picking up something from out there.
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t; only give us two hours on the surface, and that was
> exceeding expectations.
>
> You want a problem that relates to Europa? There's
> a problem that relates to Europa.
If politics blocks the nuclear option, there's not much you can do.
else.
Iceland is pretty neat, indeed: http://leitl.org/ice2/
( http://leitl.org/ice/ has the same pictures, but with more manageable
intermediate sizes)
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travel? The clock is ticking, Sun's going to start moving off main sequence
about half a gigayear downstream.
We're pretty lucky to be able to discuss Europa on this list.
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neer front,
you'd have scarce warning before they'd arrive. Given that the wavefront
selects for fastest propagators, I very much doubt we'd survive long after
that wave passed through our local system.
Again, anthropic principle (extinction of preexpanive observers, or
preventio
onary culture would
self-select for most expansive individua, which would restructure the
universe in course of their expansion preventing emergence of observers, and
quite likely to extinguish existing pre-expansion observers -- so aliens are
unobservable by anthropic principle -- unless them is
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inosity is high enough to make a lasting impact on naked material
elsewhere -- e.g. it should have slagged one half of the Moon. If this indeed
happened, the evidence will still be there, buried under a layer of regolith.
We should know soon enough, once we resume our lunar activities.
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Look at the phase diagram:
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ty, but it is a very, very distant possibility. Given the
demostrated presence of water, I'm going with Occam's razor...
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rt doesn't mix very well with respective phase diagrams:
http://onsager.bd.psu.edu/~jircitano/phase.html
Maybe elsewhere, but not on Mars. No sustained presence of liquid CO2 on
planetary surface, sorry.
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l what
we know), and chemical gradients which can be used to drive life.
None of above is faith based, though it's difficult to tell how probable the
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the transfer you can damn well
assume that most of the solar system must be riddled with life, of a common
origin, probably local.
Maybe not complex enough to fossilize well, but I'll be very unsurprised if
this or subsequent rover missions finds a fossil, or
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/plasma drive) for a manned Mars mission, if
you're into canned, suited primates.
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on of cyberpresence.
*Der* Hubert Dreyfus? "Phenomenologist and leading critic of Artificial
Intelligence research."?
You almost made hot coffee come out of my nose. Please don't do that again,
it hurts.
> (I fear that occasionally President Bush gets thin
ing
> blood from a stone although I guess people are getting better
> at nanometric manipulation every day.
Industrial processes in vacuum are a comparative novelty on Earth (where the
vacuum is expensive); deriving a set of processes sufficient for full
self-rep closure will be difficult (thankf
ound hydrate in
a loose regolith layer on dry bedrock.
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On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 08:45:20AM -0800, Gary McMurtry wrote:
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> Hey, not so fast. Who estimated the chances for intelligent life at
> 1 in 10^9? I'll bet it's way lower than that figure.
We can't tell, actually. Our single sample is infinitely
biased due to anthropic principle (a detector w
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 03:18:45PM +0100, Schmidt Mickey Civ 34 EDG/34ES wrote:
> Someone involved with the project ought suggest a test. I am assumming that
> the solar sail will have some type of accellerometer on board. The test
> would involve the USAF Starfire Laser Lab. After the solar sail h
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Robert J. Bradbury wrote:
> Making this argument (seriously) requires a lot of hand-waving. That is
> the point of much of my discussion about forms of "life". We can't
> assume RNA, DNA or even anything close to those molecules without
> being very Earth-centric.
We have i
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, H Frank Benford wrote:
> Cats don't have the physical capability of opening a jar(paw with
> oposable thumb) whereas an Octopus does(tentacles). It took one time
> showing my cat how to open a door and my house hasn't been safe since.
To put this back into context, what is
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Reeve, Jack W. wrote:
> It is perhaps noteworthy that skepticism over highly developed life on
> Europa (or anywhere else for that matter), though based in science and fact,
> is by definition extrapolation from a one unit data set, Earth.
This is not accurate. Life is a phy
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, LARRY KLAES wrote:
> If nothing else, I would just like to see what kind of beings could
> evolve on a world like Europa. If giant worlds with similar moons
Upper bound: there's nothing on the surface which doesn't look other than
natural. If there's life it lives from very
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> There are 4 BIG questions for science to answer:
> Can the equations of relativity and quantum mechanics be combined? TOE
> What happened before the big bang?
> How did life first form?
> Is life unique to this planet?/Are we alone?
I think there's
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> We know that life is in the universe, but how much of it is out there?
Given crosscontamination of impact ejecta within this solar system (sure
Mars-Earth is assymetrical, but retrogade transfers do happen) another
data point from within this system
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> Now this is AWESOME news.
Lightning on ur-Earth was constantly fueled by weather fueled by
insolation and volcanism.
Sorry, don't see these both contributing in Europa's case. I could well
see irradiation (both photons and solar wind, trapped in
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