EV Digest 6531
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Fwd: [mantecafreecycle] OFFER: 1971 to 1976 Toyota Hilux Pickup
parts.......
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: SCCA Problems with Electrics
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Hybrid Car Crash - Tacoma WA - 3/6/07
by "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Reading Material
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: SCCA Problems with Electrics
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Curtis 1231C squealing solution
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Largest Capacity NiMH Cells?
by "Charles Whalen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Heatsinking a Curtis - necessary for golf cart versions?
by "Bruce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Reading Material
by KARSTEN GOPINATH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) One Small Step for NEV's - One GIANT Step for Electric CARS
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Nice AC motors on E-bay
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: New EV'er
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Jaguar XJ6 EV?
by Finn John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: 300V EV Questions
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Nice AC motors on E-bay
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Debut event for the Phoenix SUT, in Dallas
by "Chris Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Hybrid Car Crash - Tacoma WA - 3/6/07
by "Andrew Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) RE: Jaguar XJ6 EV?
by "Will Beckett \(becketts\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) RE: Kilovac EV-200 as safety disconnect?
by Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Wasn't someone here looking for a Hilux rear end?
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Subject: [mantecafreecycle] OFFER: 1971 to 1976 Toyota Hilux Pickup parts.......
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Mike, a very well thought out and very positive letter. With folks like
Cliff from Po EV, www.proev.com with their extremely professionally built
electric auto cross racer and consistent winner in SCCA events and the newly
formed EV AutoX www.evautox.com by Shawn Waggoner I have no doubts that
this new racing forum is in good hands. My hats are off to you folks. Good
luck out there! No worries here.
Roderick Wilde
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From: "Mike Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: SCCA Problems with Electrics
Incorrectly posted in the other thread...
Yeah, so about the battery meltdown thing. I must say that I think it's
time we EVers take racing and the exposure we give to our EVs in public
forums serious consideration. The hobby built, duct tape and spit cars do
more damage to the public perception of EVs than they do good, whether it
be in public shows or in racing events. The damage Dave described is a
perfect example. Lead acid batteries, both flooded and SLA should be
secured in sealed vented compartments and isolated from the passenger
compartment - period.
20 years ago it was cool enough just to have a car that ran on batteries
and to make sure people knew it. Big giant "this car is electric"
lettering and all that. Nowadays the bar is much higher to achieve the
same "wow". We absolutely must be diligent in putting our best feet
forward in regards to safety and performance if we are to achieve any sort
of peer status.
As for racing, NEDRA in cooperation with NHRA achieved this with obvious
success. I would submit that due to the "racing for the masses" dimension
of auto-crossing, the stakes are much higher. The potential public
exposure of EVs (especially with the proliferation of SCCA events) is much
more mainstream, and press both good and bad will have greater impact.
That being said, we must keep the bar at a level that will ensure that
safety and performance are not sacrificed under any circumstances, even if
it means smaller fields of cars initially. We must be good stewards of EVs
and the technology that makes them possible, and not be irresponsible just
to be inclusive.
That was the main thrust behind EVAutoX. For those of you with experience
in these areas we could sure use all the help we can get.
Regards,
Mike Harvey
Harvey Coachworks and EV
(877) 841-9730
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From: "Tim Gamber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:06 PM
Subject: RE: SCCA Problems with Electrics
I can't see how a few battery meltdowns could get you banned from a track
because of the cost of repairing it. After all gasoline powered cars catch
of fire and blow up on the track all the time.
From: David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: SCCA Problems with Electrics
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:56:08 -0800 (PST)
<http://sccaforums.com/forums/permalink/222005/221933/ShowThread.aspx#221933>
Quoted from http://www.sccaforums.com:
Two years ago at the SCCA convention someone brought up the idea in
the main Town Hall meeting about electric race cars. He basically
sort of accused the SCCA of not bothering to care about electric race
cars in general and said we needed to be exploring it. Then
someone from Arizona (IIRC) said their region had several folks who had
tried electric race cars but that they had several have battery
meltdowns on track and they were banned from at least one track because
of the damage and cleanup problems from this kind of failure. I
can only imagine that even if you got the necessary monitoring down to
prevent this that you'd still have to worry about the problems caused
by wrecks.
Anyway, the "meltdown" problem is one that should
definitely be carefully considered for autocross use since it's pretty
easy to lose sites these days and very hard to get new ones. All
that said, the idea of building an electric autocross car is fairly
intriguing. Think about the ramifications of being able to dial
your power delivery up and down based on how many runs you plan to take
and how long the course is. The tire cost debate would go out the
window compared to the battery cost debate, though! I used to
race electric RC off road buggies and believe me, you haven't seen
anything like the battery wars we could see in autocross with a popular
electric class!
The whole thread:
<http://sccaforums.com/forums/1/222005/ShowThread.aspx>
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My apology... I was thinking of another car. (An EV, not an ICE hybrid.)
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From: "Michael Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: Hybrid Car Crash - Tacoma WA - 3/6/07
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Acuti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Hybrid Car Crash - Tacoma WA - 3/6/07
> > You know, although the article quoted the guy saying he applied the
> brakes,
> > never once did he say "I shut off the ignition switch". I realize he was
> > taken by surprise and probably only had seconds to act but that probably
> > would have prevented the whole thing. Just as it would for any other ICE
> > vehicle.
> >
> > Rich A.
>
> I can understand this sort of thing happening if the controller ran away
(as
> per current postings) but if the cable stuck, don't the brakes have a cut
> out circuit for the "pot"? My EVs (everything from my "big" one, down to
my
> cheapest scooter) have the pot wired through a brake switch. Apply the
> brakes and the input to the controller cuts out. I assume this was done to
> avoid apply brakes and throttle at the same time.
>
> It won't save you if the controller "runs on"... but will keep a stuck
> throttle out of the mix. My throttle cable stuck wide open. I braked to a
> stop, took my foot off the brake and started surging forward... until I
> reapplied the brakes, stopped, then flipped the breaker switch. (It turned
> out there was a kink in the throttle cable near the pot. I rewired it so
the
> pot was activated by a 4" length of cable with no bends.)
>
> With a run away controller, turning off the key probably wouldn't do the
> trick(??). To my right I had the master breaker which could cut power from
> the batts. After that run away, I extended the length of the breaker lever
> to about 8" in length, with a T bat handle... so it'd be easier to hit in
an
> emergency. My only concern was that I might shove it too hard (panic) and
> have to tow the car home. Better that than a full run-away condition.
>
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Karsten, At the moment there are only two choices of AC drives that are
affordable. Contact Metric Mind at www.metricmind.com or Electro Automotive.
www.electroauto.com Both these sources are great people who will be very
helpful. If you want sources for AC drives that are unaffordable I am sure
that there are many on this list who will be more than willing to help you
with contact information. If you do have that much money I have some spare
bridges I want to offload at an incredible bargain price :-)
Roderick Wilde
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From: "Karsten Gopinath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Reading Material
BIrds and Bees aside... Can you recommend some reading material I can go
through while I wait for my perfect donor vehicle to appear? A lot of the
material I'm going through seems a little dated. I'm finding it hard
trying to track down reading material on AC motors and regeneration of
power. Also trying to research some new battery technology. Thanks for
your help.
On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Roderick Wilde wrote:
A little something you may find of interest. Although there are some
people in this world who are very good at assembling information there
are other people in this world who are actually good at producing real
things. Among these real things are electric conversions. I hate to be
the one to burst your bubble about the idolization of Bob Brandt but the
real truth is that he has never done an electric conversion in his
lifetime on the planet Earth. I know that will come as a shock to many on
this list including some old timers, but hey, reality is reality. For all
you armchair converters/engineers you know exactly what I am talking
about. First, I tell people that if you are intelligent enough to wire a
flashlight you can build your own electric car. There is a negative side
and a positive side. The bulb is the motor, the switch is a little more
complicated and more like a light dimmer. You will want to have a fuse
and a safety switch. It is one heck of a lot less complicated than auto
mechanics.
Here is a very interesting comparison for you. If you are a doctor you
work on two models of human beings. They have eleven systems some of
which are the skeletal system, a nervous system, a circulatory system,
respiratory system, digestive system, etc, just to name a few. Now take
the average automobile. They have the skeletal, (body/frame) fuel,
heating, cooling, (drivetrain), engine, transmission, dirrerential, all
called the drive train, suspension, fuel, computer, braking, etc. Now
think about the knowledge in bits of information that it takes to
understand all of these makes and models which change yearly. Remember
that they are still making the same two models of humans year after year.
I have even figured out how they do that :-)
In the case of a doctor they have these two models, a male and a female,
all systems the same except reproductive. Now you take the automobile,
similar systems yet totally different for each year make and model. So
many years out there and so many different models. They change all the
time. From my experience in the field there is no way in hell you will do
a successful transplant operation trying to put a Chevy clutch into a
Saab. The very simple point that I have been elaborately trying to point
out here is that an auto mechanic has to know many, many more bits of
information than a doctor. Also, that electrics are so simple that a
layman can work on them.
Roderick Wilde
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From: "David Hrivnak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:11 PM
Subject: RE: Reading Material
I was very impressed with Bob Brant's Build your own electric vehicle.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of KARSTEN GOPINATH
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:58 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Reading Material
Hello I am researching building my electric car and I was wondering
whether anyone could recommend some reading material for me. I have
Convert It, Electric Vehicle Technology Explained, and Building your
own Electric Car. I am specifically interested in AC motors and Lithium
Ion tech. Thanks.
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For those of you who have no idea what "SCCA" means (like me, I had to
look it up): Sports Car Club of America
David Dymaxion wrote:
<http://sccaforums.com/forums/permalink/222005/221933/ShowThread.aspx#221933>
Quoted from http://www.sccaforums.com:
Two years ago at the SCCA convention someone brought up the idea in
the main Town Hall meeting about electric race cars. He basically
(etc)
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Good ear, Lawrence. I'm sure the "1.5Khz" of the Curtis is not a super
tight spec. Seems your controller is a bit low:
F: 1396.91
F#: 1479.98
G: 1567.98
Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
It is simular to a glass harmonica(mixed with fingernails on the black board
@ about a 10 to one ratio nice to grating) that sounds between F & F# above
the treble music staff. I got it with my 1221C and an 8inch ADC. It's
really not a big deal. It also tells you when the controller is working.
Sort of a musical overature. Lawrence Rhodes....
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From: "Ian Page-Echols" <>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: Curtis 1231C squealing solution
Could someone upload a sample of what this squeal sounds like
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I doubt to individual hobbyists, but I would guess probably so to OEMs. I'm
sure GoldPeak would be interested in talking to any OEMs who would have such
an interest. These 30Ah cells would make a good pack for a PHEV-25 and
satisfy the automakers' reliability and longevity requirements for a 10+
year calendar life.
Charles Whalen
On Tuesday, March 06, 2007 1:41 AM, Bruce wrote:
Anyone know if these 30AH NiMH cells can be purchased by themselves?
Bruce
Charles Whalen wrote:
Yes, GoldPeak is producing their 30Ah NiMH cell under their Ovonics, now
Cobasys/Chevron license, and my understanding is that GoldPeak is the only
NiMH battery manufacturer to have such a permissive (grandfathered)
license allowing the production of large-format traction cells >10Ah for
sale or use in the North American market.
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My guess is that the high drag with the car on jackstands is coming from the
CV joints being at a large angle. I think CV joint losses are much smaller
when the car is resting on the wheels and the shafts are closer to in line.
A way to test this theory might be to jack the car up, take off the wheels,
put jack stands under the lower A arms, then let the car down so that it's
weight is on the stands. Hopefully this would allow you to run the
drivetrain with the CV joints at a more normal angle?
Bruce
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From: "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:35 PM
Subject: RE: Heatsinking a Curtis - necessary for golf cart versions?
> Cor van de Water wrote:
>
> > When spending 40 to 50A (at 100+V) just to turn the wheels on
> > jackstands, that is an indication of severe drag.
>
> Agreed.
>
> > Either brake drag, or "goop" instead of thin oil in the
> > transmission and diff, or bearings that are grinding the
> > last remains of the balls to metal dust...
>
> 50A was with the brakes dragging, and 40A with the pads pried away from
> the rotors; so "only" 10A @ 120V due to brake drag.
>
> My tranny is full of fresh OEM spec oil, which admittedly is likely
> costing me a bit more energy than a synthetic such as Redline MTL, but
> to be responsible for this sort of loss the tranny would have to be full
> of chassis grease ;^>
>
> While I totally agree that this seems like an amount of drag indicative
> of some severe problem, so far the only two people to report actual
> numbers for FWD vehicles (myself and Lee) have both reported
> surprisingly similar results for totally different vehicles. I think it
> unliklely that it just happens that the two of us both have trannies
> full of sludge and/or disintegrating bearings (which would be audible,
> BTW ;^)
>
> > Why would it take 5kW to perform no work, only overcome
> > friction of unloaded wheels while the entire car is
> > supposed to run at about 10kW while cruising down the
> > road at constant speed?
>
> I guess nobody ever bothered telling our EVs that they were supposed to
> run at 10kW ;^>
>
> Seriously, despite my car apparently consuming a horrendous 190Wh/mi
> with the wheels in the air, it averages 300Wh/mi on my hilly commute,
> which isn't all that far out of the realm of believability for a DC
> conversion.
>
> > NOTE that it is entirely possible that the used amp-meter did not
> > correctly measure the current (peak-hold iso average) or that
> > motor amps were reported, which can be large but if the motor
> > voltage was 10V or so, then this does not represent a significant
> > power draw....
>
> Not in these cases. Lee and I both have E-Meters in our cars. I
> reported battery amps and volts, and I'm sure Lee did also.
>
> I'm at 120V and he's at 132V (or is it 144?).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Roger.
>
>
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Thanks. I appreciate it. I'm sure I will be asking more question once I
find a donor vehicle.
On Mar 8, 2007, at 10:02 PM, Roderick Wilde wrote:
Karsten, At the moment there are only two choices of AC drives that
are affordable. Contact Metric Mind at www.metricmind.com or Electro
Automotive. www.electroauto.com Both these sources are great people
who will be very helpful. If you want sources for AC drives that are
unaffordable I am sure that there are many on this list who will be
more than willing to help you with contact information. If you do have
that much money I have some spare bridges I want to offload at an
incredible bargain price :-)
Roderick Wilde
----- Original Message ----- From: "Karsten Gopinath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Reading Material
BIrds and Bees aside... Can you recommend some reading material I can
go through while I wait for my perfect donor vehicle to appear? A lot
of the material I'm going through seems a little dated. I'm finding
it hard trying to track down reading material on AC motors and
regeneration of power. Also trying to research some new battery
technology. Thanks for your help.
On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Roderick Wilde wrote:
A little something you may find of interest. Although there are some
people in this world who are very good at assembling information
there are other people in this world who are actually good at
producing real things. Among these real things are electric
conversions. I hate to be the one to burst your bubble about the
idolization of Bob Brandt but the real truth is that he has never
done an electric conversion in his lifetime on the planet Earth. I
know that will come as a shock to many on this list including some
old timers, but hey, reality is reality. For all you armchair
converters/engineers you know exactly what I am talking about.
First, I tell people that if you are intelligent enough to wire a
flashlight you can build your own electric car. There is a negative
side and a positive side. The bulb is the motor, the switch is a
little more complicated and more like a light dimmer. You will want
to have a fuse and a safety switch. It is one heck of a lot less
complicated than auto mechanics.
Here is a very interesting comparison for you. If you are a doctor
you work on two models of human beings. They have eleven systems
some of which are the skeletal system, a nervous system, a
circulatory system, respiratory system, digestive system, etc, just
to name a few. Now take the average automobile. They have the
skeletal, (body/frame) fuel, heating, cooling, (drivetrain), engine,
transmission, dirrerential, all called the drive train, suspension,
fuel, computer, braking, etc. Now think about the knowledge in bits
of information that it takes to understand all of these makes and
models which change yearly. Remember that they are still making the
same two models of humans year after year. I have even figured out
how they do that :-)
In the case of a doctor they have these two models, a male and a
female, all systems the same except reproductive. Now you take the
automobile, similar systems yet totally different for each year make
and model. So many years out there and so many different models.
They change all the time. From my experience in the field there is
no way in hell you will do a successful transplant operation trying
to put a Chevy clutch into a Saab. The very simple point that I have
been elaborately trying to point out here is that an auto mechanic
has to know many, many more bits of information than a doctor. Also,
that electrics are so simple that a layman can work on them.
Roderick Wilde
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From: "David Hrivnak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:11 PM
Subject: RE: Reading Material
I was very impressed with Bob Brant's Build your own electric
vehicle.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of KARSTEN GOPINATH
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:58 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Reading Material
Hello I am researching building my electric car and I was wondering
whether anyone could recommend some reading material for me. I have
Convert It, Electric Vehicle Technology Explained, and Building your
own Electric Car. I am specifically interested in AC motors and
Lithium
Ion tech. Thanks.
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( A Dramatization of the TRUE happenings of March 7th, Olympia
Washington)(As inspired by the many writings of Sir Lee of Heart)
(Spelling and grammar not Guaranteed)
(Results in your own State may Vary...)
By: Sir Steven Lough, aka Captain Electric, alias Mr.Electric Car
In the Land of EV's..... NEV's ( Neighborhood Electric Vehicles) have
too long been the ....well ....underdog. Canon Fodder for the Hot Rod
Klan, and the Knights of NEDRA. The FED's and most States where they
are legal.. have relegated them to Gated Communities, and Golf Course
communities, and Hobbled their Noble Electric Motors to a
mind numbing 25 miles per hour.
BUT NO LONGER I say... Let our fearless EV warriors Steve Mayeda of
MC Electric Cars of Seattle-shire, with help from the Seattle EV
Association and the Gallant State Legislator Mary Lou Dickerson do
battle with the Bureaucracy Dragon, and fashion a weapon. A NOBLE weapon
we shall call House Bill 1820. Which on this Day March 7th at or around
10 pm PASSED the Washington State House of Representatives
94 TO 0 !!!!! And there was much rejoicing.
There are 2 more Quests which this Gallant BILL must PASS. The State
Senate, and then be signed by Governor Gregoire. Once these battles are
won, our NEV's in Washington State shall be liberated from the Shackles
of 25 mph, and will soar with the eagles, and other sedans, large
trucks, and Lance Armstrong on his bicycle at 30 to 35 miles per hour
(on all our state and local roads ...only)
What a glorious Day that will be. For as I look into my Electric
Crystal Ball, I see the sale of such EV's rising into the HUNDREDS,
being much more useful and functional in the eyes of the inhabitants of
the Emerald City ...( and other towns in Washington State)
As I set this story to pen ( ooops sorry I mean key board ) The State of
Montana is also mounting a similar crusade. Even in the Great Halls in
the land they call Washington DC, I have heard the words spoken that
there should come forth throughout the whole land, a new ( in- between
standard ) for such Neighborhood EV's, similar to standards on the land
across the sea we call E-U-Land...
There will come a time soon, where we must gather together to write, to
call, to visit our Knights of the Legislative, to convince the Senate as
we have done in the House ( of lords) And then, ... and then surely the
Queen Governor, shall sign this proclamation into the LAW of the LAND.
And there was no more HONKING at NEV's heard throughout the Land
THE BEGINNING.....
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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At 11:27 PM 8/03/07 -0500, you wrote:
I would imagine that others have seen these nice Siemens motors on E-bay.
Seems like a great deal. I'd buy all 10 if I could. Other than the custom
transmission mounting flange looks just like other Siemens motors. What say?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230099530972&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013
Al
Ah, yes the ever-reappearing motors without controllers that you can't buy
the controller for and are more likely to blow an inverter than a motor so
if you already had a system using these motors you wouldn't pay more than
$100 for anyway.
Enough said?
Regards
[Technik] James
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At 10:59 PM 8/03/07 -0500, Alan Arrison wrote:
Hello all.<snip>
Question number 1. ( I couldn't even get a definitive answer from ADC) On
the 9" ADC motor, they tell you to hook your juice to A1 and S1, and jump
A2 to S2. In my situation it was easier to put juice to A2 and S2 and
jumper A1 to S1.
Is there any difference or problem with that? It would appear to be fine.
That is because it is fine A1-A2(jump)S2-S1 is the same as far as the motor
is concerned as A2-A1(jump)S1-S2. Reverse A1-A2 or S1-S2 whilst leaving the
other alone reverses the direction of rotation.
Alan, (Q1) have you mounted the Curtis controller on a heatsink? and (Q2)
is the motor set up with the brushes advanced (for the direction of
rotation) or neutral?
Hope this helps
Regards
James
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Hi everybody! My name's Finn John, I live about 10 miles out of Corvallis,
Ore., where I work, and I'm making plans to have some sort of electric commuter
vehicle before the end of this summer. Would any of you guys have time to give
me a bit of advice on the whole thing? Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions,
but I had to start somewhere.
Initially I wanted to find an old Fiat 500 or similar 900-pound unit with a
dead motor and go from there, but then I realized I really don't use my Jaguar
(an '84 Series 3, given to me by my dad, sentimental value, etc.) for anything
other than commuting and taking my son to school. My wife has a Honda hybrid
that we use for all our longer trips. And to top it off, the Jag's engine at
220,000 miles is starting to show signs of needing to be rebuilt.
So, thinks I, maybe I should look at converting the Jag.
Now, this is a 4,000-pound car, heavier than most of the electric conversions
I've been able to track down data on. But the smog-tuned 4.2-liter Jaguar I-6
only puts out around 100 peak horsepower in top condition, and I'm probably
only getting 80 out of it now. That's not too far off of the peak power outputs
of some of the 9" DC motors. I guess I'd have to run 144 volts through it to
get that, which would mean buying a few extra Optima Red Tops, but I could
handle that.
So my first question is, does that sound like it could be done? And if so,
would it have the 30-mile range I need to get to work and back?
My next question is, can I run an electric motor through an automatic
transmission? The car has a Borg-Warner Model 66, a fairly inefficient 3-speed
slushbox pushing a 2.88:1 rear end. Would this drivetrain absorb too much of
the motor's output to effectively drive the car?
Fourth question: Anybody have a ball-park guess as to how many miles per KwH
I'd be looking at with a car like this? Nothing precise, just trying to get
some idea of what it'll cost to run. If it's high enough, it may actually
pencil to convert a smaller car and keep the Jag intact. I don't need much in
the way of performance, 50 mph will do. Most of my commute is on back roads.
Thanks a million for any help and advice you can give!
--Finn
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At 09:24 PM 8/03/07 -0600, Fred wrote:
I was not shouting just bad typist . with big fat fingers
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At 08:27 PM 7/03/07 -0600, Fred wrote:
>why are u putting the circuit breakers in series for ? it will not chNGE
>THEIR VOLTAGE RATING AS THEY ARE NOT A LOAD . AND BEING IN SERIEA THEIR
>CURRENT RATING WILL NOT CHANGE EITHER .
Um Fred, if you are going to SHOUT
OK, sorry fred, I was a bit crabby at the time I wrote it (Don has had to
can his project, so the 20+ hours I'd put in to date I could have been
doing other things...). But try to remember to proof read before hitting
send? You're not the only one that seems not to, though, so don't feel too
bad about it.
Regards
[Technik] James
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On 8 Mar 2007 at 23:27, Al wrote:
> What say?
I say : Just about month or two another newbie hops on the EVDL here and
tells us (or asks us) about these motors. ;-)
Sorry, no offense meant, but it's true. Check the archives.
They've been on offer for YEARS, with precious few sales, and for good
reason. There are no controllers for them. Unless you want to design and
build your own AC controller, they're basically expensive doorstops.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Tonight some Texas EAA folks including a number of us from AustinEV
traveled to Dallas to check out the "debut" event for Phoenix Motorcars'
new Sport Utility Truck. (Not exactly a debut in the strictest sense --
it's already been shown once in LA and once at the White House, possibly
elsewhere.)
I'm sure there will be more pictures and video clips popping up on blogs
here and there in the next couple days, but I thought I'd throw out what
pictures I took, and my somewhat amateurish review, which I posted here:
http://www.ohmbre.org/blog/2007/03/09/debut-of-the-phoenix-motorcars-sut
Quick overview -- a few small complaints here and there, but overall it's
the same story we're getting used to. It's very well made, wonderful to
drive and I'd love to own one, and I really can't afford it.
--chris
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On 3/8/07, Bill & Nancy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
I own a Prius, you cam't just shut off the ign switch. In order to shut
it off while it is moving, you have to hit the power button twice,
because of the computer programming. I learned this just recently, even
tough I have owned it for a year and a half. A new owner may not be
aware of this.
Bill
Richard Acuti wrote:
> What a stupid article. In over 100 years of use, an ICE powered car has
> never crashed into a building due to a stuck accelerator? The 12v
> electrical system has never sparked a gasoline fire after an accident?
>
> I can see some upset soccer mommy in front of a Congressional committee
> now: "Hybrids and electric-drive cars are a menace to our highways and
> must be stopped!"
>
> You know, although the article quoted the guy saying he applied the
> brakes, never once did he say "I shut off the ignition switch". I
> realize he was taken by surprise and probably only had seconds to act
> but that probably would have prevented the whole thing. Just as it would
> for any other ICE vehicle.
>
> Rich A.
>
>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:17:31 -0800
> From: Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
> Subject: Hybrid Car Crash - Tacoma WA - 3/6/07
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> As always ....The " PRESS" will fly in a helicopter, a crew, cameras,
> etc. to cover a shooting, a robbery, a Car Accident..
> any thing negative... But try and get them to cover an Electric Car
> that CAN, a young person triumphing over some adversity, doing some
> civic GOOD, building an EV, and the guy will tell ya..
> "Good News Doesn't sell News Papers"
>
> Well, this CRASH is not good news either.
> KING TV NEWS:
>
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_030607WABhybridcaraccidentJM.2646476e.html
>
>
> And all this just on the heels of Sherry Boschert's visit to Seattle,
> ( My EAA counterpart from San Francisco) and her Book Tour for her new
> book:
> "Plug-In Hybrids: The Cars That Will Recharge America"
>
> She did pull off a wonderful 1 hour interview on the local PBS station
> ( KUOW) You can go to their audio archives for 3/6/07...
> the Weekday Show, and listen to it...
> (short cut) http://www.kuow.org/defaultProgram.asp?ID=12364
>
> But the Media being what the Media IS... Sherry only got to mention the
> Seattle EV Association once, and on their web site where they list
> Additional WEB information on the Subject of the interview..
> no mention of SEVA or any of the PHEV, and EV work we have done
> over the last 26 years...
> That hurt a little...
> But I know any of us involved in Self Promotion of EV's and PHEV's or
> Alt Fuel in general have run into this...
>
> So the Good Fight Goes ON.
>
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In ALL Automobiles, ICE or EV or whatever, the brakes *must* be able
to stop the car EVEN while the engine is at FULL power. In Vermont where I
took my first driving test, the instructor first of all checks to see
whether the *emergency* brake (usually 1/2 or less as strong as the service
brake in passenger cars) can hold the car in gear under power.
Those of you who have driven commercial trucks know about the braking
system in those 23000+ pound vehicles. The wheel-chocks are really just for
show.
I sincerely hope that this incident is due to driver error. If that is
not the case then Toyota is SEVERELY REMISS in marketing a car to the public
(regardless of its drive system) that is capable of overpowering its own
service brakes. End Of Story.
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Have you run into Otmar yet? He lives in Corvallis now. He is very helpful
showing people how to do conversions.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Finn John
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 11:58 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Jaguar XJ6 EV?
Hi everybody! My name's Finn John, I live about 10 miles out of Corvallis,
Ore., where I work, and I'm making plans to have some sort of electric
commuter vehicle before the end of this summer. Would any of you guys have
time to give me a bit of advice on the whole thing? Sorry if I'm asking
stupid questions, but I had to start somewhere.
Initially I wanted to find an old Fiat 500 or similar 900-pound unit with a
dead motor and go from there, but then I realized I really don't use my
Jaguar (an '84 Series 3, given to me by my dad, sentimental value, etc.) for
anything other than commuting and taking my son to school. My wife has a
Honda hybrid that we use for all our longer trips. And to top it off, the
Jag's engine at 220,000 miles is starting to show signs of needing to be
rebuilt.
So, thinks I, maybe I should look at converting the Jag.
Now, this is a 4,000-pound car, heavier than most of the electric
conversions I've been able to track down data on. But the smog-tuned
4.2-liter Jaguar I-6 only puts out around 100 peak horsepower in top
condition, and I'm probably only getting 80 out of it now. That's not too
far off of the peak power outputs of some of the 9" DC motors. I guess I'd
have to run 144 volts through it to get that, which would mean buying a few
extra Optima Red Tops, but I could handle that.
So my first question is, does that sound like it could be done? And if so,
would it have the 30-mile range I need to get to work and back?
My next question is, can I run an electric motor through an automatic
transmission? The car has a Borg-Warner Model 66, a fairly inefficient
3-speed slushbox pushing a 2.88:1 rear end. Would this drivetrain absorb too
much of the motor's output to effectively drive the car?
Fourth question: Anybody have a ball-park guess as to how many miles per KwH
I'd be looking at with a car like this? Nothing precise, just trying to get
some idea of what it'll cost to run. If it's high enough, it may actually
pencil to convert a smaller car and keep the Jag intact. I don't need much
in the way of performance, 50 mph will do. Most of my commute is on back
roads.
Thanks a million for any help and advice you can give!
--Finn
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After half an hour Googling I still had no hits for "gas filled" in
combination with Czonka,
so I started clicking away at the Czonka Contactor hits and first found
several specs saying that it was a sealed contactor, without specifying what
was inside, like:
http://www.answers.com/topic/contactor200ampsealed-jpg
Then I suddenly stumbled upon this site - is this the original (Chinese?)
producer or a copy-cat of the Czonka?
They are all Vacuum or SF-6 filled (the high voltage versions) except the
larger contactors in the EV range which are..... Hydrogen filled!
http://www.blueandgreen.co.kr/korean/product_list.asp?CateCode=600
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Brandt
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 8:18 PM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Kilovac EV-200 as safety disconnect?
>Cor wrote:
> I read somewhere that the reason for good specs in small package of
>the Czonka is the use of a specific gas inside the enclosure.
I replied:
Yes, they use hydrogen.
Lee responded: If memory serves, I think it was sulfur hexafluoride. Anyone
have it written down anywhere?
Now THAT sounds nasty in the extreme...(but I'm not a chemist, so I've no
clue what that stuff does).
I remember reading about them in a design news or a machine design a few
years ago, and it was one of the featured products. The article definitely
claimed hydrogen. It may be available in the archives of those particular
magazines if they go back that far...Maybe a Tyco electronics tech sheet?
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