> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 17:24:37 -0400
> From: r...@beebe.org
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Pack prices likely to plummet, halve the cost
> within 6yrs
>
> Not according to people using them. But I will save th
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> >> Of Martin WINLOW
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>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Pack prices likely to plummet, halve the cost
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>> 6yrs
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> I've done the math (as you US bods say) and posted about the results here
> on
>> the EVDL
Not according to people using them. But I will save this message and
send you back a report in the Spring after I've gone through a
Connecticut winter with them.
--Rick
On 10/04/2013 12:15 AM, Al wrote:
> The 100Ah cells will not have a happy life no matter what the data sheet
> says.
> The cold
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> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Pack prices likely to plummet, halve the cost
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> 6yrs
>
> Hi David,
>
> I've done the math (as you US bods say) and posted about the results here
on
> the EVDL before and if you do too then you will se
Hi David,
I've done the math (as you US bods say) and posted about the results here on
the EVDL before and if you do too then you will see there is a very big gap in
price between what cells are costing now and the cost of the constituents. Even
allowing a reasonable cost attributable to manufa
Tom, See my reply to Peter posted just now. For us in the UK Li has fallen
almost 50% in the last 4-5 years. MW
On 3 Oct 2013, at 14:44, tomw wrote:
> /"The price of lithium has already dropped to half of what it used to be
> I priced out a lithium bank for my truck back in 2009 and it's
On 3 Oct 2013 at 22:45, Lee Hart wrote:
> A better metric would be cost per KWH (at some useful discharge rate, like
> the 1-hour rate).
>
> Other useful metrics are weight per KWH, and volume per KWH (also at
> useful discharge rates).
And cost per mile (or km) of usage, based on capacity and a
October 03, 2013 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Pack prices likely to plummet, halve the cost
within 6yrs
On 10/03/2013 10:06 AM, Zeke Yewdall wrote:
I don't remember costs per AH back then, but I remember that it was going
to be about $12 to $15k for a 96 volt 180AH bank back wh
Zeke Yewdall wrote:
I'm not used to pricing batteries per AH... without knowing the voltage, I
think it's kind of useless, and I know it's for a 3.2 volt cell in this
case, but I'm used to thinking per pack voltage, not cell voltage, and just
using however many cells or batteries necessary to ach
I'm not sure what the prices of lithium are doing, but I suspect lithium is
still undergoing a lot of manufacturing improvements which may decrease the
cost, whereas lead is much the same battery as 80 years ago, so its cost is
largely settled manufacturing costs plus commodity costs of materials.
Do you really think they will continue to drop in price much? Just
look at the cost of the aluminum and copper. Unless something changes
significantly in the amount of Al and Cu per Ah I don't think prices
will go down much.
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote:
> Ummm.. my math
Ummm.. my math is a little funny there, you are right. Make that
$1.40/AH. But, right around $7500 for a 96 volt 180AH pack is accurate.
I'm not used to pricing batteries per AH... without knowing the voltage, I
think it's kind of useless, and I know it's for a 3.2 volt cell in this
case, b
> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 09:10:36 -0700
> From: cou...@casadelgato.com
> To: ev@lists.evdl.org
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Pack prices likely to plummet, halve the cost
> within 6yrs
>
> On Thu Oct 03 07:06:56 PDT 2013 zyewd...@gmail.com
On Thu Oct 03 07:06:56 PDT 2013 zyewd...@gmail.com said:
>performed per specs, and talk of group buys and all), and now it's more
>like $7.5k for an in stock CALB bank, plus BMS of course, around $0.71/AH.
>From where?
Sure isn't Evolve Electric - nor any other place that I can find.
--
Try my
That's from my local company that I can pick them up in person (evolve
electrics in Boulder) I probably could find them cheaper on line, true.
That's also the price for a 96 volt pack... high voltage packs are cheaper
per cell.
Z
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 8:18 AM, SLPinfo.org wrote:
> Zeke
>
On 10/03/2013 10:06 AM, Zeke Yewdall wrote:
> I don't remember costs per AH back then, but I remember that it was going
> to be about $12 to $15k for a 96 volt 180AH bank back when it priced it out
> (it might have been more like 2008, I seem to remember Thundersky being
> mostly what was available
I'm assuming the "now" price is based on 100AH cells, which are what's
available and you can now get away with using them in most conversions as
they have improved power density.
It's true that the "price of admission" is lower, perhaps halved, but price
per kWh is not changed much from when I did
Zeke
Where are you finding these prices? The websites I look at put 180ah CALB
cells at $225-235 each.
Peter Flipsen
On Oct 3, 2013 7:07 AM, "Zeke Yewdall" wrote:
> I don't remember costs per AH back then, but I remember that it was going
> to be about $12 to $15k for a 96 volt 180AH bank back
I don't remember costs per AH back then, but I remember that it was going
to be about $12 to $15k for a 96 volt 180AH bank back when it priced it out
(it might have been more like 2008, I seem to remember Thundersky being
mostly what was available and lots of discussion on whether they actually
per
/"The price of lithium has already dropped to half of what it used to be
I priced out a lithium bank for my truck back in 2009 and it's half what it
was then, now."/
Really? I purchased CALB SE cells in the spring of 2009 for $1.10/AH. Where
can I get them for $0.55/Ah?
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>> Of Jukka Järvinen
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>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Pack prices likely to plummet,halve the cost
>> within 6yrs
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> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Pack prices likely to plummet,halve the cost
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> Bruce: "There are many of these pontificating pieces, that I usually pass
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> Bruce: "There are many of these pontificating pieces, that I usually pass
> on, as they seem to all talk, talk, & talk about the futu
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Pack prices likely to plummet,halve the cost
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Bruce: "There are many of these pontificating pieces, that I usually pass
on, as they seem to all talk, talk, & talk about the future, and not
much tangible meat to make what they say viable.&quo
Bruce: "There are many of these pontificating pieces, that I usually pass
on, as they seem to all talk, talk, & talk about the future, and not
much tangible meat to make what they say viable."
I have found it pretty weird that all everyone is doing is just develop
'new things'. Not with the old th
Yeah I want a plugin that I can drive from Seattle to Chicago without
stopping, nevermind that a human can't drive that long without a few hours
for recharging... :p
The price of lithium has already dropped to half of what it used to be
I priced out a lithium bank for my truck back in 200
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There are many of these pontificating pieces, that I usually pass on, as
they seem to all talk, talk, & talk about the future, and not much
tangible meat
If battery costs decrease to half of present costs, say e.g. $10k down to
$5k, the vehicle cost should decrease by $5k. Saying it won't due to
"complex electronics" means the costs of those electronics would have to
increase from their present cost to eat up part or all of that $5k.
I think eit
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