Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-13 Thread David Rees
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Willie McKemie wrote: > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 07:51:34PM -0700, peri hartman wrote: >> Incidentally, a year or so ago, i emailed the program director for the >> wash-ore I5 ESVE network. They said, i'm pretty certain, the cost was >> about $20K per station. I

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-13 Thread Cor van de Water
ubject: Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst There's one fundamental difference: for the EVSE the cord is pre-attached to the "hot" end. The reverse is true for RVs. Peri -Original Message- From: ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Be

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-13 Thread Peri Hartman
lectric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst > There are a lot of RVs on the road and no one seems to get shocked using > the > 50A outlets. But of course the extension cord is dead until the male plug > is plugged into the receptacle a

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-13 Thread Zeke Yewdall
> There are a lot of RVs on the road and no one seems to get shocked using > the > 50A outlets. But of course the extension cord is dead until the male plug > is plugged into the receptacle and it is difficult to shock yourself with > the female connector. It is of course different on EV extensio

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-12 Thread Bruce EVangel Parmenter
There are funds being generated for public EVSE installations besides the EVSE companies. Most of the time, the EVSE companies try to leverage off these available funds/grants to minimized their costs, thus maximizing their profits. Take a look at the following page, down down 80% of page to the se

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-12 Thread Bruce EVangel Parmenter
Yes, in a newswire piece I am going to post there are several petrol stations in OR and some in WA that have l3&2 EVSE. As you will see some are proud to advertise they have them. L3 charges in about the time it takes to walk over, use the restroom, pick out your purchase, wait in line, and pay for

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-12 Thread Cal Frye
On 3/12/13 3:45 AM, David Rees wrote: > I think 30-40 mile spacing is more reasonable - it gives you more room > for buffer. Ideally I think you'd put them even closer together, every > 15-20 miles, primarily so that you can skip a station should one be > down or perhaps perform even more frequent,

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-12 Thread tomw
“I have no idea how much it costs to install RV hookups - presumably a lot less. Maybe they are substantially lower power?” The 240VAC/50A outlets are higher power than the Coulomb EVSE’s I use which are 240VAC/30A. “What is the cost of installing an RV panel? $500? Less? What risk has been a

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-12 Thread Willie McKemie
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 07:51:34PM -0700, peri hartman wrote: > Incidentally, a year or so ago, i emailed the program director for the > wash-ore I5 ESVE network. They said, i'm pretty certain, the cost was > about $20K per station. I presume most of that is bringing the power to > the loc

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-12 Thread David Rees
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Bruce EVangel Parmenter wrote: > I would hope as EVSE crowding occurs, Blink would allow the host to > limit l3 use to only 80%SOC, so that anyone wanting a 100%SOC charge > would move over to the slower l2 EVSE next to it. The AeroVironment l3 > installations in W

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-11 Thread peri hartman
13 23:38:40 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 01:24:48PM -0700, peri hartman wrote: Instead, a network of ESVEs needs to be based on how people use theorem vehicles. For your ICE (oh, you don't have one?), when do you decide to sto

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-11 Thread Willie McKemie
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 01:24:48PM -0700, peri hartman wrote: > Instead, a network of ESVEs needs to be based on how people use theorem > vehicles. For your ICE (oh, you don't have one?), when do you decide to stop > for gas? When you have 1/4 tank left? You know, under normal conditions, >

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-11 Thread peri hartman
(even with no home ESVE), and be confident of your range. Enough customers: possible viable business model. Peri Hartman -Original message- From: tomw To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Sun, Mar 10, 2013 14:17:20 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst "EVSE co

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-10 Thread tomw
"EVSE company sales teams are hot to make a sale and get their commission, but prioritizing a contiguous string of public EVSE between cities is not their focus." EVSE companies just manufacture and sell EVSEs, so why would one expect they determine where EVSEs are installed? I think there needs t

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-09 Thread jerry freedomev
swer is all of the above and demand lighter, less expensive EV's!!.      Jerry Dycus          From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter To: ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range

Re: [EVDL] EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst

2013-03-09 Thread Bruce EVangel Parmenter
[reference http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-EVSE-overcrowing-replaces-range-angst-td4661750.html EVLN: EVSE-overcrowing replaces range-angst ] The plugin community is alive and well when public EVSE are getting so crowded with use, it becomes a story for the media