Re: [EVDL] Electric vehicle subsidies: expensive and ineffective?

2017-12-16 Thread Dan Baker via EV
Not to dig up an old bone, but I happen to be cruising this "institute's" site, looking to see what "values" they were trying to bend lately. Well thankfully their focus wasn't on EVs lately, just more reports that our oil companies are being taxed too much, our drug prices shouldn't be capped

Re: [EVDL] Electric vehicle subsidies: expensive and ineffective?

2017-08-03 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 3 Aug 2017 at 16:27, Dan Baker via EV wrote: > From their site it's hard to tell where there funding comes from, they do list > their funding as 27% from businesses and 70% from "foundations". One of their > Directors bios shows he has direct ties to big oil. It's kind of negative to say it,

Re: [EVDL] Electric vehicle subsidies: expensive and ineffective?

2017-08-03 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > Original message From: Dan Baker via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Date: 03/08/2017 1:54 pm (GMT+00:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: [EVDL] Electric vehicle subsidies: expensive and &g

Re: [EVDL] Electric vehicle subsidies: expensive and ineffective?

2017-08-03 Thread Dan Baker via EV
Hey Lawrence I agree your math is more correct. I didn't see the article originally when it came out but if you google the title of this thread you will see lots of media outlets ran with it, mostly Canadian but some American ones as well. I saw it this morning when a local paper (metro news)

Re: [EVDL] Electric vehicle subsidies: expensive and ineffective?

2017-08-03 Thread Lawrence Harris via EV
The EPA (https://www.epa.gov/energy/greenhouse-gases-equivalencies-calculator-calculations-and-references ) calculates 4.73 metric tons CO2/vehicle/year for a passenger car, so 47.3 over 10

Re: [EVDL] Electric vehicle subsidies: expensive and ineffective?

2017-08-03 Thread Dan Baker via EV
From their site it's hard to tell where there funding comes from, they do list their funding as 27% from businesses and 70% from "foundations". One of their Directors bios shows he has direct ties to big oil. Even more, I found they published yet another article against EVs: Consumers will pay

Re: [EVDL] Electric vehicle subsidies: expensive and ineffective?

2017-08-03 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Dan Baker via EV wrote: In a report released in June, the Montreal Economic Institute concluded provincial subsidies were the most expensive, least effective way to help cut greenhouse gas emissions. https://www.iedm.org/71213-electric-vehicle-subsidies-expensive-and-ineffective Would anyone

Re: [EVDL] Electric vehicle subsidies: expensive and ineffective?

2017-08-03 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
This appears to be another case of an author or editor who decides in advance what outcome he (or the corporate sponsor) desires, and then tailors the data and analysis to reach that conclusion. The tl;dr: money talks. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = =

Re: [EVDL] Electric vehicle subsidies: expensive and ineffective?

2017-08-03 Thread Roger Stockton via EV
Dan Baker wrote: > Would anyone care to comment on this? Agree or disagree? Is it oil > funded > FUD? I live in Nova Scotia, Canada, one of the have-not provinces for EV > rebates. I can affirm that without rebates EV car sales here are pretty > well nonexistent, most dealers here carry very

Re: [EVDL] Electric vehicle subsidies: expensive and ineffective?

2017-08-03 Thread Russ via EV
Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: Dan Baker via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> Date: 03/08/2017 1:54 pm (GMT+00:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: [EVDL] Electric vehicle subsidies: expensive and ineffective? Hello all, Not su

[EVDL] Electric vehicle subsidies: expensive and ineffective?

2017-08-03 Thread Dan Baker via EV
Hello all, Not sure if anyone has seen the article below: In a report released in June, the Montreal Economic Institute concluded provincial subsidies were the most expensive, least effective way to help cut greenhouse gas emissions.