Re: [EVDL] Excellent article

2019-06-27 Thread Paul Wujek via EV
On 2019-06-26 9:43 p.m., Bill Dube via EV wrote: I really would like to know what motivates Toyota to keep pushing H2 passenger cars. I have always suspected that the Toyota H2 push is because of interference from the Japanese government and oil companies who likely hold a lot of sway in how To

Re: [EVDL] Excellent article

2019-06-27 Thread paul dove via EV
I don't believe that is true. I think it's just arrogance like when GM axed the EV1. Read the book The car that could to get a glimpse of the GM culture. Toyota has an enormous amount of clout in Japanese government, business and banking circles. Toyota pretty much gets what it wants from Japan'

Re: [EVDL] Excellent article

2019-06-27 Thread Lee Hart via EV
paul dove via EV wrote: I don't believe that is true. I think it's just arrogance like when GM axed the EV1. Read the book The car that could to get a glimpse of the GM culture. Toyota has an enormous amount of clout in Japanese government, business and banking circles. Toyota pretty much gets

Re: [EVDL] Excellent article

2019-06-28 Thread Jay Summet via EV
ues manifest. Maybe Toyota got a lot of grant money from Calif. ? Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Dube via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Bill Dube" Sent: 26-Jun-19 6:43:27 PM Subject: [EVDL] Excellent article (was: Lets discourage hydrogen advocates. )

Re: [EVDL] Excellent article

2019-06-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
n fracking as more health and environmental issues manifest. Maybe Toyota got a lot of grant money from Calif. ? Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Dube via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Bill Dube" Sent: 26-Jun-19 6:43:27 PM Subject: [EVDL] Excellent article (was: L

Re: [EVDL] Excellent article

2019-06-28 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Michael Ross via EV wrote: Electrolysis has thermodynamic limits to efficiency, but making H2 and O2 are a good way to store, large scale, renewable energy for which no other means are as environmentally sound. I happened to see a news article in the June 2019 issue of Machine Design magazine.

Re: [EVDL] Excellent article

2019-06-28 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Yep, these are all good ideas, including making H2 for grid storage. All have their problems, but all can help with the "no wind" days, etc. The big question will be just how much energy can we store with such solutions? Society's thirst for power seems unquenchable!

Re: [EVDL] Excellent article

2019-06-28 Thread Peter Eckhoff via EV
One of the other considerations or two is that Toyota has access to scientists and engineers who are (or should be well versed) in hydrogen fuel cell technology. Like the Prius, Toyota can take business risks if they see some potential benefit that might pay off in the future. Quick refueling has

Re: [EVDL] Excellent article

2019-06-28 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 28 Jun 2019 at 10:46, Jay Summet via EV wrote: > You can also use pumped water storage That's how it's done on one of the Canary Islands, El Hierro. It's the smallest, most isolated, and least populated of the group. It's very breezy and volcanic, so the climate and terrain are perfect for

Re: [EVDL] Excellent article (cheap energy)

2019-06-28 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
: Re: [EVDL] Excellent article Michael Ross via EV wrote: > Electrolysis has thermodynamic limits to efficiency, but making H2 and > O2 are a good way to store, large scale, renewable energy for which no > other means are as environmentally sound. I happened to see a news article in the

[EVDL] Excellent article (was: Lets discourage hydrogen advocates. )

2019-06-27 Thread Bill Dube via EV
Very well researched article on H2 fuel cells versus EV's. The article expertly covers the "what" but doesn't mention the "why" of Toyota and H2. I really would like to know what motivates Toyota to keep pushing H2 passenger cars. Bill D. On 6/27/2019 9:57 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

Re: [EVDL] Excellent article (was: Lets discourage hydrogen advocates. )

2019-06-27 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
rmous push back on fracking as more health and environmental issues manifest. Maybe Toyota got a lot of grant money from Calif. ? Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Dube via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Bill Dube" Sent: 26-Jun-19 6:43:27 PM Subject: [EVDL

Re: [EVDL] Excellent article (was: Lets discourage hydrogen advocates. )

2019-06-28 Thread Michael Ross via EV
nk we're going to see an enormous push > back on fracking as more health and environmental issues manifest. > > Maybe Toyota got a lot of grant money from Calif. ? > > Peri > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Bill Dube via EV" > To: ev@lists.evdl.