Mark: Thanks for this. I am not sure if it will help. I agree with you that Tesla should have two or even 3 computers for full self driving. If one were to glitch out, that is all that is preventing you or many others from being injured or killed. Tesla has a 5 star safety rating. So the passengers and driver will probably be ok but bystanders be aware. EVDL: I am the guy Mark was talking about. Story time! So my wife got in the 1st Tesla accident. FSD was on and she was driving. She was fiddling with the sound system (or something) on the lovely screen that practically begs you to play with it and we were on a road we don't often go down. It happened to be a T intersection with a stop sign. She saw the stop sign too late and ran into a short wall. This was before FSD registered stop signs and would have slowed down for a stop sign. Such is our luck. On the 2nd Tesla accident, I can't remember the details leading to the accident since I sustained a pretty bad head injury (enough to cause double vision for 6 months). However we saw the dash cam footage which shows the car just driving off the road. No change in speed or course correction. I was given many tests after the accident to rule out some physical problem that may have caused me to lose consciousness. There was no smoking gun that would say "Yes he lost consciousness because...". I am lucky Tesla has that 5 star safety rating because other than the double vision I had no lasting injuries. The people who were going to move the vehicle wanted to cut the vehicle at the battery. Fortunately someone realized it was a Tesla and didn't do that which would have started a runaway fire. So lessons learned are exactly what folks have said about losing focus. FSD is very good ALMOST all the time. In that one case out of 1000+ the human must be ready to take over in a split second. I am still very hopeful for FSD to be solved. If any company can do it it will be Tesla at this point since they have the most data. I think the super computer is just used for training the cars to get better and the more data they have the faster that will happen. Waymo has a lovely system that only works in the geofenced area that is premapped and safe. I agree with Lawrence that cameras should be all that is needed. Radar was probably giving false signals. Then there is question of priority. The cameras see all clear but the radar sees something else like a leaf or snow or a rabbit. Which one has priority? I am not sure where my focus was but it was not where it needed to be. I was out of work for over 8 months and now I can't afford to replace the Tesla. It is a great car. Even after all that, I would probably get FSD again especially since it is improving so rapidly. It is like having a front row seat watching our computer overlords take their first steps before they take over our lives.
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: mark hanson <markehans...@gmail.com>To: 'Mark Laity-Snyder' <marklai...@yahoo.com>Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022, 10:39:55 PM ESTSubject: Request Tesla crash data Hi Mark, I saw a few articles that Tesla will supply the crash data recorded in the vehicle: https://www.tesla.com/support/privacy . I think you said in both your cases, that the vehicle thought the self driving or auto pilot was off when it was actually on. It needs at least 3 computers to vote for life critical operations, like self driving on a curvy road – glitch, drops out & goes straight, ok for a desk PC but not for a vehicle. Seeing this thread go around on the EVlist again. Have a renewable energy day, Mark Mark E. Hanson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20220208/d3a23bc6/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
