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Skickat: den 5 december 2017 06:23
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Ämne: Re: [EVDL] OT Toyota admits 'Elon Musk is right'> that fcvs are
incredibly dumb
I just dont get it.. why burn th
tlets might be the future (hmm,, no) , but can the car really improve
enough? or the electrolyzer?)
/ J
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Skickat: den 29 oktober 2017 17:37
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Right, those are all comments related to EVs.
For an alternative to pump storage, batteries, and other means to store
non-peak-use-time renewables production, and at a scale that eliminates ALL
non renewable generation continentally or globally), hydrogen becomes much
more attractive even given th
There is an interesting point of overlap between hydrogen energy storage
and battery energy storage. The nickel-hydrogen battery has been used
for decades. They are capable of very long life, and high energy
density, and can work in extreme environments. The International Space
Station uses th
Hey Mark,
I’m not arguing with you! I was trying to relate what I heard Elon say. I could
be wrong but he seemed to be talking in general not just focused on EVs. We
used Hydrogen in the Space Shuttle and they even had a Hydrogen fuel cell on
board but it you notice Space X used RP1.
Sent fro
gas in an ICE. More efficient.
Peri
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From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV"
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Cc: "Mark Abramowitz"
Sent: 30-Oct-17 11:37:28 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT Toyota admits 'Elon Musk is right'> that fc
On 31 October 2017 at 06:37, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
> Inefficient energy storage device? How so?
In the way that efficiency is defined; Energy out of the system,
divided by energy into the system, multiplied by 100.
> Compared to batteries, they can store energy much longer. Batteries a
Inefficient energy storage device? How so?
Compared to batteries, they can store energy much longer. Batteries are in
their sweet spot for energy storage for a number of hours, hydrogen for longer
periods. Batteries are for small scale storage, hydrogen can be used up to grid
level storage.
M
Actually, Elon said that hydrogen was an inefficient energy storage device. In
addition, it has many technical drawbacks.
I just think that they're extremely sillyit's just very difficult to make
hydrogen and store it and use it in a car," Musk said. "If you say took a solar
panel and use t
I certainly concur with your analysis: fuel cells are not a good option for
cars, but large scale energy storage is a much more likely possibility
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Michael Ross via EV
wrote:
> I believe Musk has only slammed H2 in the context of EVs. There certainly
> is a great
I believe Musk has only slammed H2 in the context of EVs. There certainly
is a great public misunderstanding that H2 can be a source of energy which
it absolutely is not, rather than its true role as a storage and transport
medium. I suspect this misunderstanding gave momentum to Toyota's decision
https://electrek.co/2017/10/26/toyota-elon-musk-fuel-cell-hydrogen/
Toyota admits ‘Elon Musk is right’ about fuel cell, but moves forward with
hydrogen anyway
Oct. 26th 2017 Fred Lambert
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https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/electric-car-vs-hydrogen-fuel-cell1-e1509049014192.jpg
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