Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

(Corrections requested) With convenience stores (7-11, etc.) trying to be gas stations, and gas stations trying to be convenience stores, whatever pump you pull up to, the business draws power and people. 24 hour stations are the normal here and are located just off a highway (101 or 280).

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

-- Original Message -- > From: "Brandon Hines via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Sent: 05-Dec-15 7:22:03 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop > pumpi

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Tom Keenan" <tnan...@yahoo.com> To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: 05-Dec-15 9:36:12 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

as station uses enough > electricy to charge somewhere between 1 and 2 EVs. > > Peri > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Sent:

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

gt; Peri > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Tom Keenan" <tnan...@yahoo.com> > To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion > List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Sent: 05-Dec-15 9:36:12 AM > Subject: Re: [

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion > List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Sent: 05-Dec-15 9:36:12 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop > pumping gas too!) > >> About two years ago, I as

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

-- From: "Brandon Hines via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: 05-Dec-15 7:22:03 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!) If people primarily charge at home then w

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

n List Subject: Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!) That would be interesting information. I'll take a stab at an answer, based on this EIA graph: http://www.eia.gov/beta/MER/index.cfm?tbl=T02.01#/?f=A=21 Overall, it shows that commercial uses ab

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > > The average American 20 mile/day is about > $40 worth of electricity. Wha…? Assume 3 miles per kWh. Rounding up, that’s 7 kWh for your daily mileage. Most places are within shouting distance of $0.10 / kWh for

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

quot;Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: 04-Dec-15 6:47:23 AM Subject: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!) : MP Amber Rudd sez the UK grid too weak for 34M EVs BRITAIN’S electric car revolution could trigger blackouts by overloa

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

> EVs will be very good for the grid…but not because we’ll be shutting down > gas stations. Agreed, completely. But my point was that I have never seen anyone look at this point of view as to what electricity is saved by not moving so much gas around everywhere. Though small, It’s a data point

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > > Though small, It’s a data point we need to include in > our quiver and come up with some numbers... I think focussing on the small fry might be distracting and counterproductive. If you really want to do that sort

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

Overall, the electricity use will remain the same or rise a small amount. Many studies have shown this. 1) Compact fluorescent and LED bulbs as well as the move toward other more efficient household appliances will tend to counteract the added load of EVs on the grid. 2) EV's tend to

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > How much ELECTRICITY does a gas station consume Nowhere near as much as you’re suggesting. As a general rule, Americans use about as much energy on personal transportation as for household electricity, with the

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

lectric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: 04-Dec-15 7:11:46 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!) On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: How much ELECTRICITY does a ga

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

"Robert Bruninga" <bruni...@usna.edu>, "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Subject: Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!) On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

On 4 Dec 2015 at 9:47, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > Typical right wing ignorance. No politics please, just the facts. Thanks. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = =

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

I saw one graph which stated the energy usage for oil refining to gasoline. It's stated 23g of CO2 for each driven kilometer just for that part. With our mix on electricity there was 19g of CO2 per kilometer on EV. From this one could derive that producing gasoline solely is already consuming more

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

I assume that most EVs in the UK would be charged overnight at home. Doesn't the UK have the same situation as the USA with there being a large surplus of power at night, and shortages only happen during the daytime? Widespread EV use is generally found to *help* the grid, by leveling power

Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas too!)

gt; Subject: Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping > gas > too!) > > That would be interesting information. I'll take a stab at an answer, based > on > this EIA > graph: > > http://www.eia.gov/beta/MER/index.cfm?tbl=T02.01#/?f=A=21 > &