Re: [EVDL] Tesla ; Frozen door handle fix (app)

[(-Phil-) via EV]

LOL, I guess they beat me to it!I looked in the Tesla app for this, and
I don't see it on my car, but I also have my car running somewhat older
software by choice, so I'd probably need to update to get that feature.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 4:54 PM Mark E. Hanson via EV 
wrote:

> Phil wrote: ).  "One easy fix Tesla could make on these is to add door open
> command from the app, that way if the handle is covered in ice, you could
> still pop the door without even having to touch it.  The exterior door
> handles are literally just a switch, and a grab handle to pull on the
> door."
>
> It looks like they added a app to open the frozen door handle on the 3/Y in
> cold weather:
> https://www.tesla.com/support/winter-driving-tips
>
> I haven't tried it yet, just did the ye-old hot water on door handle trick
> last night.
>
> Best Regards,
> Mark in cold Roanoke, VA
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 12:55:05 -0800
> From: "(-Phil-)" 
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> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Was Tesla Designed in California? :-/ - Fixed Cold
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> I know a few engineers that are/were at Tesla, and not only did they do
> environmental chamber tests, but also Alaska and Death Valley in
> winter/summer.   I don't know any other particulars.   However, No amount
> of testing can cover every situation of course, and there is a difference
> between how a new car acts in extreme environments and how it acts in those
> after it's aged somewhat.
>
> I think Tesla made a mistake on the door handles on the Model S, but I'm
> pretty happy with the ones on the Model 3 (same as Y).  One easy fix Tesla
> could make on these is to add door open command from the app, that way if
> the handle is covered in ice, you could still pop the door without even
> having to touch it.  The exterior door handles are literally just a switch,
> and a grab handle to pull on the door.
>
> If you are a California engineer who has never lived in areas with poor
> weather, it's hard to imagine all the requirements as well as one from
> Detroit.  I also lived in suburban Detroit in my younger years, so I know
> what it's like.  I'm glad I don't live there anymore, and I'm glad I don't
> have to engineer automotive closure systems.  =)
>
> I'm glad I live in a good climate, and in the rare instance it's not, I
> have
> a garage.
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:44?AM Lee Hart via EV 
> wrote:
>
> > On cold-testing cars...
> >
> > I grew up in Michigan, at a time when the US auto industry was king.
> > Friends of mine worked for various automakers. They each had huge
> > environmental test chambers that could be adjusted for anything from
> > -40 deg.F deep freezes to 140 deg.F deserts, howling winds, blizzards,
> > driving rain, and altitudes from Death Valley to Pike's Peak. That
> > way, they could find out how their cars would fare with weather in the
> real world.
> >
> > This headed off many problems, at least when the cars were new. But as
> > you might expect, there were cases where the environmental chambers
> > were over-booked, or someone changed a part without re-testing, or
> > testing one car didn't reveal that 50% of that model would have problems.
> >
> > A friend related one incident where there was a blizzard and -40 deg.F
> > temperatures forecast for Houghton MI. GM had engineers drive a few
> > cars up there for testing. They stayed at a motel, and the next
> > morning, none of the cars would start. Not from a battery problem; but
> > because the emission control computers were dead. My friend opened up
> > the emission control computer, placed his hand on the chips to warm
> > them up, and the car started. It turned out that a one hour at -40
> > deg.F wasn't long enough to cool everything down; but overnight was.
> >
> > Big companies only tend to learn from their own mistakes (not others).
> > The traditional automakers have learned their lessons over a very long
> time.
> > The engineers would complain about stupid tests that only held things
> > up, but that were mandated to prevent past mistakes.
> >
> > Tesla is a young company. Perhaps they don't yet see the reasons to do
> > much environmental testing. So it's going to take them time to make
> > their own mistakes, and learn from them.
> >
> > Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James
> > --
> > Lee A. Hart https://www.sunrise-ev.com
> >
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[EVDL] Tesla ; Frozen door handle fix (app)

[Mark E. Hanson via EV]

Phil wrote: ).  "One easy fix Tesla could make on these is to add door open
command from the app, that way if the handle is covered in ice, you could
still pop the door without even having to touch it.  The exterior door
handles are literally just a switch, and a grab handle to pull on the door."

It looks like they added a app to open the frozen door handle on the 3/Y in
cold weather:
https://www.tesla.com/support/winter-driving-tips 

I haven't tried it yet, just did the ye-old hot water on door handle trick
last night.

Best Regards,
Mark in cold Roanoke, VA


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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 12:55:05 -0800
From: "(-Phil-)" 
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Was Tesla Designed in California? :-/ - Fixed Cold
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I know a few engineers that are/were at Tesla, and not only did they do
environmental chamber tests, but also Alaska and Death Valley in
winter/summer.   I don't know any other particulars.   However, No amount
of testing can cover every situation of course, and there is a difference
between how a new car acts in extreme environments and how it acts in those
after it's aged somewhat.

I think Tesla made a mistake on the door handles on the Model S, but I'm
pretty happy with the ones on the Model 3 (same as Y).  One easy fix Tesla
could make on these is to add door open command from the app, that way if
the handle is covered in ice, you could still pop the door without even
having to touch it.  The exterior door handles are literally just a switch,
and a grab handle to pull on the door.

If you are a California engineer who has never lived in areas with poor
weather, it's hard to imagine all the requirements as well as one from
Detroit.  I also lived in suburban Detroit in my younger years, so I know
what it's like.  I'm glad I don't live there anymore, and I'm glad I don't
have to engineer automotive closure systems.  =)

I'm glad I live in a good climate, and in the rare instance it's not, I have
a garage.


On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:44?AM Lee Hart via EV  wrote:

> On cold-testing cars...
>
> I grew up in Michigan, at a time when the US auto industry was king.
> Friends of mine worked for various automakers. They each had huge 
> environmental test chambers that could be adjusted for anything from 
> -40 deg.F deep freezes to 140 deg.F deserts, howling winds, blizzards, 
> driving rain, and altitudes from Death Valley to Pike's Peak. That 
> way, they could find out how their cars would fare with weather in the
real world.
>
> This headed off many problems, at least when the cars were new. But as 
> you might expect, there were cases where the environmental chambers 
> were over-booked, or someone changed a part without re-testing, or 
> testing one car didn't reveal that 50% of that model would have problems.
>
> A friend related one incident where there was a blizzard and -40 deg.F 
> temperatures forecast for Houghton MI. GM had engineers drive a few 
> cars up there for testing. They stayed at a motel, and the next 
> morning, none of the cars would start. Not from a battery problem; but 
> because the emission control computers were dead. My friend opened up 
> the emission control computer, placed his hand on the chips to warm 
> them up, and the car started. It turned out that a one hour at -40 
> deg.F wasn't long enough to cool everything down; but overnight was.
>
> Big companies only tend to learn from their own mistakes (not others). 
> The traditional automakers have learned their lessons over a very long
time.
> The engineers would complain about stupid tests that only held things 
> up, but that were mandated to prevent past mistakes.
>
> Tesla is a young company. Perhaps they don't yet see the reasons to do 
> much environmental testing. So it's going to take them time to make 
> their own mistakes, and learn from them.
>
> Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James
> --
> Lee A. Hart https://www.sunrise-ev.com
>
> ___

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