Re: Mathematical Logic, Podnieks'page ...

2004-06-29 Thread Hal Ruhl
To try to avoid confusion on what I meant I find my model telling me that all metaverses will experience the injection of new information to some non zero degree. Some metaverses are Turing computable between such events. The new information is as if from a random external oracle. The "to th

Re: Mathematical Logic, Podnieks'page ...

2004-06-29 Thread CMR
>Science.   >I am in your corner, however I spoke about the "official" terror of science establishment, the editors, tenure-professors, Nobel people, >etc. control freaks. This type of science is perfectly described in today's post of CMR in his points, identifying "reductionist science":  

Re: Mathematical Logic, Podnieks'page ...

2004-06-29 Thread John M
Reply to Bruno's Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:13 AM post Subject: Re: Mathematical Logic, Podnieks'page   Dear Bruno, it seems our ways of expressing thoughts and sights is so different that in spite of many agreeable points a detailed discussion would grow out of the framework of the list. I

Re: Mathematical Logic, Podnieks'page ...

2004-06-29 Thread Hal Ruhl
I have enjoyed my first looks at Podnieks' page. Bruno thanks for the URL . My issue is that my model while it has changed many times seems to persistently return me to the idea that while some metaverses may be otherwise Turing computable all metaverses are subject to input from what might be

Re: Mathematical Logic, Podnieks'page ...

2004-06-29 Thread CMR
>Reply-BM: We surely differ. I am not sure the word "science" really refers to anything. >Scientific attitude exists though. About it the words and expressions like *curiosity*, *modesty*, *clarity*, *willingness to share*, etc.. comes to my mind. >I agree there has been, in the human story, att

Re: Mathematical Logic, Podnieks'page ...

2004-06-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 15:38 28/06/04 -0400, John M wrote: JM: Science in my terms is the edifice of reductionist imaging (observations) of topically selected models, as it developed over the past millennia: subject to the continually (gradually) evolving (applied) math formalism. Will be back to that. Reply-BM: